Westminstenders: Massive Rightwing Plot?

[RedToothBrush]

Tonight 10pm

YouGov MRP.

First big poll

Rumour is that it shows a big tory majority.

This would fit with two MRP polls that are already out if accurate.

Datapraxis is suggesting a Tory majority of 48.

Best for Britain (Pro remain) is suggesting a majority of 57.

www.newscientist.com/article/2224783-what-is-mrp-and-can-it-predict-the-result-of-the-uk-general-election/
What is MRP and can it predict the result of the UK general election?

It stands for multi-level regression and post-stratification. Its a polling method which uses demographic data to work out how people will vote. YouGov used it to accurately predict the 2017 result and the method was used to predict the 2016 US election.

I'm leaving this thread now. I'm sickened.

ListeningQuietly, you should hang your head in shame.

BE ANGRY
WE have three weeks to do a Goebbels

Posted at 22:20

Crickets.... Tumbleweed....

(and he had a scary wife!!)

nice bit of casual misogyny there

The Speed! at which the Misogyny! was called out!! Gave me fucking whiplash it was that fast

For clarity:

• Channel your inner Goebbels = totes ok

• Say a woman looks scary = an attack of the vapours

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I don't see what is wrong with ListeningQuietly's post.

She is suggesting following the strategy of a master communicator and manipulator - who Cummings himself emulated. She is not saying she agreed with the policies that he promulgated - just that he did so effectively and that there are lessons to be learnt from how he did so.

Would you have preferred/thought it was ok if she'd said that we need to get angry and do a Cummings?

I fear that that will be an epithet in future How to lie and manipulate to get your way.

SingingLily

I can't see anyone else who has challenged ListeningQuietly's post of 22.20.

You mean this one?

ListeningQuietly's
WE have three weeks to do a Goebbels

Yep, it's pretty much what I've come to expect from the hardcore types. The funny thing is that they can't count - there are now 2 weeks left until polling day...

Pretty I'm not sure it's in good taste...

Telling people to use propaganda is very different to telling them to copy a nazis behaviour.

I don't see what is wrong with ListeningQuietly's post.

Then I feel sorry for you, Prettybird.

Three weeks to do a Goebbels? You do know who Goebbels was and what he did, don't you?

Pretty I'm not sure it's in good taste...

No, RedToothbrush, it's appalling.

Does anyone wonder why the Chief Rabbi said what he did when people like LQ and PB think this sort of thing is all right?

What is wrong with all of you?

She is suggesting following the strategy of a master communicator and manipulator

Ok
Makes sense

Would you have preferred/thought it was ok if she'd said that we need to get angry and do a Cummings?

Also makes absolute sense, y'know, being as how Cummings is a contemporary, well known example of an excellent communicator & strategist who knows precisely how to shape & control a narrative

Which is pretty much the fucking point

Difference between Cummings & Goebbels?
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Maybe it's the lack of genocidal association?
I dunno - what do you think?

Why say 'Be More Goebbels Guys!!' ?!

Ffs 🙄

But yeah - you just "don't see what is wrong with ListeningQuietly's post."

KK then....

I don't think it was mysogyny that was the problem there, but the reference to Goebbels.

No, really??!!

I was making a point

"Be more Goebbels!" - tumbleweed, nothing to see here lads...

'Casual misogyny' - shut that shit down straight away! That's beyond the pale!

I can't think of any situation in which it would be a good idea to emulate a nazi or encourage other to do so. I think you should get your post taken down @ListeningQuietly

I was deliberately understating it. Rather than cause a confrontation cos tbh I've had enough of them of late on here and I could do without the bullshit.

Thanks.

Night.

I don't agree with Listening post although I do understand the despair she is feeling.

I would say what we have winning out now is 'Nazi' style propaganda.

What we need to do is listen to facts and facts only.

If people vote Tory on facts then so be it.

If Boris Johnson is truly to be believed and the NHS is safe, people will be better off and we will get good trade deals WITH EU and US I will be shocked yes, but delighted also.

If he can achieve all of that whilst telling the truth.......well I am sure many of us would gladly shake his hand. And we all that Boris is the last bastion of truth.

Remember

Everyone please vote Conservative for our great new PM. Let's get Brexit done. It's oven ready to go.

Boris needs you.

I could do without the bullshit.

You mean because someone had the gall to challenge a frankly appalling post like that?

Okayyy. Understate away.

Doesn't change what was said.

Kind of predictable

1,2,3 💣

Yeah, go ahead and stroll on by.

Part of the problem.

Boris always tells the truth.

yappy you are either an excellent satirist or I want some of what you have been smoking tonight

Let's all give Boris and us a great Christmas with a nice Toty majority. Corbyn can toddle off back to his allotment. Any turnips Jeremy?