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RedToothBrush · 24/11/2019 21:25

The closing date for registration is this Tuesday

The weekend has seen the leaders question time debates.

Johnson failed to answer a question and the BBC edited later edited footage to change laughter at him to applause.

Swinson continues to prove that the Lib Dem campaign planners don't understand the electorate. They based the campaign around her and the more the public see her and the more she opens her gob she proves she's the witless headgirl who really knows fuck all.

Corbyn has now adopted a neutral 2nd referendum position. Far too late.

Jo Johnson apparently said that a good election manifesto is one people aren’t talking about 48 hrs later, and it seems that the Conservatives really have gone for that strategy.

Johnson had promised a manifesto for change yet of the three main parties it seems far from that. It avoids controversy for the most part, but also doesn't offer solutions to some of our biggest problems like social care. But with the Tories so ahead in the polls, the status quo and making sure they don't have a repeat of the 'dementia tax' car crash seems to be the order of the day. Because Brexit is going to going to provide a magic solution instead...

Meanwhile the Labour Party have gone completely the other way and really have gone for it and come up with ideas. With a mixed response from the public and press.

And I still can't tell you what is in the LD one, cos Prince Andrew...

This week should see the election come into focus as postal voting starts. As it stands its hard to bet on anything but a Tory majority.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/11/2019 15:53

We seem to have a government running scared of scrutiny yet commentators and polls are telling us what an amasing campaign the Tories are having, something really isnt adding up and when you have the BBC making some 'mistakes' in favour of this current government were getting into very very dangerous territory

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/11/2019 15:53

*amazing

tobee · 27/11/2019 15:55

Couple of journalists I know are surprised that we perceive bias against the left. They think BBC are overcompensating for the fact that most journalists are left wing. That it's not possible to put out an across corporation edict to be pro Tory.

Maybe I'm just in a Westminsterenders echo chamber Grinbut I think this is outdated thinking and Tony Hall has changed the BBC in a Faustian pact to keep the license fee.

LouiseCollins28 · 27/11/2019 15:57

Amazed that the BBC seem not to have agreed an interview date between Andrew Neil and BoJo as part of the "Interviews" series.

For me there are still plenty of left leaning presenters on the BBC too. Which of the Newsnight presenters is not? just as an example.

LouiseCollins28 · 27/11/2019 16:00

In other news, just seen this!

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/basingstoke-gazette-could-stop-printing-lib-dem-stories-in-election-1-6397178

Now that is "Fake News" to coin a phrase.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/11/2019 16:04

The only truly left commentators out there are Ash Sarkar, Arron Bastani, Grace Blakely and Holly Rigby (who as an aside has been bullied of twitter and they are also trying to get her fired from her school for a tweet that is being labelled as antisemitic when all she asked was about the motivation of the Rabbi speaking out yesterday) I mean you can include everyones favorite Owen Jones in there Grin but only just but they barely get any airtime its normally right wingers or Corbyn critical or neo liberal lefties

mybrainhurtsalot · 27/11/2019 16:07

mobile.twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1199675149756309504

Tweet about a shift in the percentage of younger voters who said they are certain to vote.

mybrainhurtsalot · 27/11/2019 16:10

I wonder if/how that will change the polls

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TokyoSushi · 27/11/2019 16:12

Jason Groves of the Daily Mail (sorry) has just posted a spreadsheet on Twitter, I'm not sure if it's a preview of tonight's MRP poll - I can't post the link from my phone and don't want to post anything that's dodgy on here, but it's very interesting if anybody else has time to go and look/verify?

It might not be that at all I might have got it completely wrong - sorry if so!

LouiseCollins28 · 27/11/2019 16:16

I'm sorry, what? Only a few left commentators?.... how's about James O'Brien, Rachel Shabi, Paul Mason, Jenny Kleeman, Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Sonia Sodha, to name but a few.

Stinkyeddie · 27/11/2019 16:16

Poll at 10pm?

HesterThrale · 27/11/2019 16:18

I think many of us are genuinely worried about the NHS and whether it's safe in Tory hands. (Probably not.) Surely many Tory voters are concerned too?

I'm not really surprised by this document outlining talks had between UK and USA which threatens the NHS.

This clip from October seems more meaningful now.

twitter.com/Rachael_Swindon/status/1199694042549895168

TatianaLarina · 27/11/2019 16:19

However, the anti-semitism allegations are long-running in Labour

Indeed. AS has an ancient history, and tension over Israel-Palestine and Zionism is a long-standing problem in Labour as in society.

I cannot agree as you implied, that criticism of the Israeli government is by driven by primarily Muslims within Labour. Imo it’s a widespread international concern, at base a human rights issue, dating back to the 80s imo when Corbyn got involved. The shift in perspective on the Israel government is as much do with their own actions as the influence of Muslims.

While Labour MPs have been reported to have curried favour with Muslims by indulging AS tropes (whether justified I don’t know) - intelligent Muslims would not be impressed by that. The Muslim Council for Britain yesterday condemned AS in Labour as ‘unacceptable’ as is Islamophobia in the Tories.

Of the people who have been in investigated or disciplined for AS only one has been Muslim off the top of my head - Naz Shah - and she is the only one who seems genuinely repentant. Livingstone, Wadsworth, Kenneth Campbell - white British.

The other crucial factor in AS is the hard left conspiracy theories around Jewish capitalist elite control of media and banking etc.

There is a confused cross-hatching of the two issues with “Zionists” “Globalists," "Freemasons” “Illuminati," “international monetary elite" and imperialism and colonialism all jumbled in together. (Worth noting the crossover on AS and Lexit anti-EU imperialism).

At base this is just age-old European and American AS conspiracy with new clothes and fresh impetus.

The specific point I made last night is that there is consensus among MPs - and Jewish MPs are very clear on this - that Labour was not institutionally AS before Corbyn. And that the abuse of Jewish MPs that has become commonplace was not the problem that it is now.

“What has happened under Corbyn is that antisemitism, which was always completely stamped on at the fringes, has been given permission to come into the mainstream and, like a cancer, is infecting and growing through the party,” Hodge

“Under Jeremy Corbyn’s leadership anti-Semitism has become mainstream in the Labour Party. Jewish members have been bullied abused and driven out...Anti-Semites have felt comfortable and vile conspiracy theories have been propagated.” Ellman

”As a proud member of the Jewish community I have also seen the Labour Party allow anti-Semitism to take root and fester in a way that is unprecedented in modern British politics” Berger

The real cause imo has been the explosion in size of the Labour Party which has attracted a whole raft of new members with dodgy views. The ideological hard left which now dominates the party has manifest a culture of bullying bigotry and intolerance of diverse views. Weak leadership has fundamentally failed to tackle the problem, whether from sympathy or incompetence its hard to say.

Without that and with a stronger more intelligent leader I do not think that AS would ever have become mainstream and snowballed into crisis. I do believe that once Corbyn and his cabal have gone there will be sea change in outlook.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 27/11/2019 16:21

My mistake Louise thank you, a pp earlier in this thread or the last *they go by so fast) had a graph to show the degree of positive/negative news coverage by party the Tories were on +4 and Labour were -79 or something similar

LouiseCollins28 · 27/11/2019 16:25

I haven't seen that *Just" but I don't doubt for one second that Labour have received more negative news coverage than the Conservatives have recently.

Apileofballyhoo · 27/11/2019 16:29

They think BBC are overcompensating for the fact that most journalists are left wing.

But doesn't that mean the BBC are biased towards the right wing? If they were just compensating it would be bad enough, nobody should deviate from the truth, but to overcompensate admits a significant lack of balance. Do they think people are going around saying "I've read the Guardian today, I'll watch BBC News now for balance?"

Bellini hope you've emailed your Labour candidate to tell him why he's lost your vote. (If you can be arsed, I know everything is so soul destroying.)

derxa · 27/11/2019 16:30

Holly Rigby
www.thejc.com/news/uk-news/prominent-labour-activist-dismisses-chief-rabbi-as-boris-johnson-supporter-who-is-uncritical-of-1.493600
I know you won't like my source.
If I was the head at her school I wouldn't like the publicity.

tobee · 27/11/2019 16:32

Well exactly Apile

I know comedy shows find it difficult to do stuff at election time on BBC as the pool of right wing guests is limited to about two. And they have to be scrupulously unbiased.

LouiseCollins28 · 27/11/2019 16:34

Thinking you might be referring to this? Just

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/the-sun-and-daily-mail-give-most-positive-coverage-to-the-conservatives-1-6383522

the "weighted by circulation" bit would seem to be important here.

Also, I suggest Labour's score is also going to be affected by the widespread assumption that they will lose this time and of course they lost last time so anything that says "2017 loss" or similar is presumably a negative for Labour. Not to mention the fact that lots of commentators on pro-labour papers don't like JC very much.

cloudydaysinnovember · 27/11/2019 16:36

A quick thanks to the people on this thread for the amazing ongoing analysis and discussions.

You've inspired me to volunteer to do some Labour leafleting in my neighbouring constituency where the Con MP only has a majority of around 500.

At least if we end up with a Conservative majority it will help my mental health to know I did something to try and prevent it

BrewWineCakeandThanks to all!!

Stinkyeddie · 27/11/2019 16:44

cloudy

I was hoping to do the same but life has sort of taken over at the moment :(

Hoping that I can manage a "last push" before 12th!...:)

Mistigri · 27/11/2019 16:47

LBC journo just tweeted:

Labour source tells me BBC informed them Boris Johnson would do an Andrew Neil interview next week.

Turns out no such agreement had been reached.

If Tory leader isn't subjected to same scrutiny as Mr Corbyn, but his team was told he would be, that's a problem for the BBC.

MockersFactCheckMN · 27/11/2019 17:19

Labour Anti-Semitism goes back at least to Ernie Bevin who did his best to ensure the infant state of Israel was strangled at birth, but the seven-nation army of the Arab states showed an incompetence not dreamed of or concievable by rational minds. The sheer scale of it is chin-on-floor in its utter uselessness, Glubb Pasha and all.

ContinuityError · 27/11/2019 17:25

Maybe Andrew Neil could do a variation on the empty chair / tub of lard? At least we’d be spared the nauseating empty soundbites.

Tanith · 27/11/2019 17:28

The Jewish Voice for Labour don't seem to be howling for Corbyn's blood either. Quite the contrary:

www.jewishvoiceforlabour.org.uk