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The weekend has seen the leaders question time debates.

Johnson failed to answer a question and the BBC edited later edited footage to change laughter at him to applause.

Swinson continues to prove that the Lib Dem campaign planners don't understand the electorate. They based the campaign around her and the more the public see her and the more she opens her gob she proves she's the witless headgirl who really knows fuck all.

Corbyn has now adopted a neutral 2nd referendum position. Far too late.

Jo Johnson apparently said that a good election manifesto is one people aren’t talking about 48 hrs later, and it seems that the Conservatives really have gone for that strategy.

Johnson had promised a manifesto for change yet of the three main parties it seems far from that. It avoids controversy for the most part, but also doesn't offer solutions to some of our biggest problems like social care. But with the Tories so ahead in the polls, the status quo and making sure they don't have a repeat of the 'dementia tax' car crash seems to be the order of the day. Because Brexit is going to going to provide a magic solution instead...

Meanwhile the Labour Party have gone completely the other way and really have gone for it and come up with ideas. With a mixed response from the public and press.

And I still can't tell you what is in the LD one, cos Prince Andrew...

This week should see the election come into focus as postal voting starts. As it stands its hard to bet on anything but a Tory majority.

The thing that strikes me most about Corbyn and anti semitism is what he is seen to be doing. I know Corbyn supporters say that this, that and the other prove that there's no problem in the party, that it's Tory lies, but if you're in the business of winning elections, you have to deal with the reality with voter engagement on the matter. I don't get the impression that Corbyn's advisors (Milne and ?) care to sully themselves by looking at this objectively. It's the pure image of socialism that they present. Which might be very admirable. But they should be ruthlessly looking at how this plays to voters. Predict how the MSM etc will report these stories. Ask themselves how it comes across to people they are hoping to get to support them. Rather than just play to the party faithful, and complain that they are victims of the MSM. Which they are, but they should be fighting to work around that. After all, it's hardly a new thought that most of the press is biased against them.

Looking at today's front pages, I think ahead to how Johnson will handle Andrew Neil. And how much will be ignored by the press the next day. While fan faring any (however minor) non disaster.

"The positive transatlantic trade agenda established in the Joint Statement includes a commitment from both sides to reduce barriers and increase trade in a range of sectors, including pharmaceuticals."

Nothing wrong with reducing barriers and increasing trade - usually positive

A great deal wrong with giving away too much for very little, like the UK-USA trade talks,
because the UK would be in a desperate position after a hard Brexit, a very weak negotiating position

The EU negotiates with the USA as one economic superpower to another

• US trade representatives have said that is why they find the EU so difficult: they are used to just dictating in FTAs, not negotiating

That is why the hard right in the USA - supported by huge US comanies / lobbies and billionaire oligarchs - want to destroy the EU:
so they can again negotiate with individual European countries and dominate them, instead of negotiating with the EU on equal terms.

If most of the MSM is against you there is nothing you can do because they will ignore or twist stories. No political strategist can change that.

Imagine how we'd feel if we were descended from Brits who were displaced and rendered penniless because it was our land given to someone else like this

Like Diego Garcia, you mean ?

The North Sea is winding down. US shale is too cheap for it to remain viable. And don't those fluffy tree-huggers want to leave it in the ground?

Like Diego Garcia, you mean ?

Now what do you suppose is the difference between the Chagos Islanders and the Falkland Islanders?

It's a tougie.

Mship I gasped when I read "366 Tory majority"

Then I saw from the link it is 366 seats < breathes again >
which gives them a good majority and imo sounds quite likely

"Best for Britain estimates that the election could be swung against the Conservatives by as few as 117,314 pro-EU voters using their vote tactically."

So still hope of a hung Parliament if enough Remainers vote tactically
but the young especially, who have registered must actually VOTE

I disagree Frank. I don't think Cummings, were he a Labour supporter, would be unable to get around it.

I'm not advocating pretending you can get the MSM on side, but plenty of times Corbyn's Labour seem to hand it to them on a plate. As has been sited earlier Jess Phillips simple response on Twitter.

If you're a good salesman you can sell anything. But Labour traditionally seem to think the idea of selling Labour is beneath them. And rather a disgusting thought. So they will end up losing and losing.

Tony Blair didn't win landslides just because of his policies. He was advised how to sell them. But today's Labour are only interested in doing everything against Blair's success rather than learning from it. Because they are egged on by membership.

BBC saying that Johnson has not yet agreed to an Andrew Neil interview

He obviously isn't going to do it.

Shocking amateurism from the BBC.

That tactical voting site (as I already knew) is advocating I vote LibDem on 3 sites and Labour on 1 site.

But the numbers from 2017 don't stack up. 23 thousand Tory, 18 thousand Labour, 7 thousand LibDem . Things can change, LibDem have been canvassing very hard, we have the Remain Alliance here.

But I'm still very likely to put my X by the Labour candidate here.

What's the point of all this risk ?
imo, no Brexiter who is now in the know - e.g. Gove ? - dares admit how badly they screwed up

<a class="break-all" href="http://go.mumsnet.com/?xs=1&id=470X1554755&url=mobile.twitter.com/lewis_goodall" target="_blank">Lewis Goodall@lewis_goodall

Given the benefit is so small,
^ the question before voters must be is even the risk of any future government caving to the Americans worth it?^

At the moment American involvement in the NHS via an FTA is impossible.
With a non customs union trade deal, it is.

The US is the biggest post Brexit trade deal we could have.
If that’s small it stands to reason the rest would be largely nugatory.

As the OBR said, most FTAs would be of such little benefit they wouldn’t even bother to factor them in to their forecasts.

< preserving the 45% of UK trade with the EU is key to keeping the Uk economy afloat. US trade can't compensate for that >

Neil made mincemeat of Johnson in their last interview

(2nd half)

BBC have seriously screwed up here. Shouldn't have done any interviews until all were agreed.

Other parties were naive too - they must know that normal rules no longer apply.

On another note, after the Scottish Tories lost a candidate to Holocaust denial yesterday, they gave now lost another to islamophobia.

I see new Russian ambassador, Andrei Kelin says leave Russia out of the election, denying interference.

Times like this I wonder what will be found out about these years in decades to come, the truth that might be revealed behind Russia and UK and USA and Steve Bannon etc.

I know the depth of behind scenes "shenanigans" is strongly rumoured.

However, ime, revealed in the future are more shocking than we've been able to imagine. Hardly ever the opposite.

Yes, when interviewed by Andrew Neil I thought Jeremy Hunt was far more impressive that Boris Johnson. I'd have had the former as leader for sure but the Conservative party decided otherwise

If Johnson refuses to be interviewed, that speaks volumes about him. Spineless coward. May tried to hide during her campaign and look how that turned out.

It probably won't register as highly as it should as a mess up by the BBC Misti. I'm sure they'll be able to explain it away, or deal with any censure months down the line. The damage has been done.

Johnson is barnstorming the nation doing his stand-up comedy act. Goes down great with the faithful.

William Hague ruefully conceded that in his case it was of no use persuading the electorate. But maybe that was just him?

("Why are there two ff's in Ffion? - Because there's no effin leader.")

Jonathan Fisher
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one interesting part of this election is just how much pro-Tory/anti-Labour journalists are showing their hands - and yet curiously avoiding the same scrutiny which is routinely aimed at anyone left of centre-right. some 'political editors' are now flat-out campaigning.

Is that new though? The idea In that Tweet Just?

Just talking to Dh about tactical voting here and him reminding me that the LibDems are campaigning based on the euro results. Surely that would be a mistake?

Ah well....It will be interesting to see the penny drop with Tory voters over the next few years. Hopefully Labour will get a grip of itself and demolish the Tories next time round. They might even be finished for good once the Brexit shitstorm really hits.

I think so tobee, I mean they had their leanings sure and you had the outriders that were thought a bit bonkers but now the MSM for the most part is actively pushing for people to vote against their best interests, I think Laura K has become ridiculously partisan and we all are aware how stuffed to the rafters the BBC are with Tories since Cameron, theres a pic going round of a political donation from the BBC to the Tory campaign I've not verified it personally so dont know if its 'real' and on my twitter feed someone had done a count of Laura K's tweets and well over 70% is Corbyn hostile and very little when it comes to criticism of the Tories