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The weekend has seen the leaders question time debates.

Johnson failed to answer a question and the BBC edited later edited footage to change laughter at him to applause.

Swinson continues to prove that the Lib Dem campaign planners don't understand the electorate. They based the campaign around her and the more the public see her and the more she opens her gob she proves she's the witless headgirl who really knows fuck all.

Corbyn has now adopted a neutral 2nd referendum position. Far too late.

Jo Johnson apparently said that a good election manifesto is one people aren’t talking about 48 hrs later, and it seems that the Conservatives really have gone for that strategy.

Johnson had promised a manifesto for change yet of the three main parties it seems far from that. It avoids controversy for the most part, but also doesn't offer solutions to some of our biggest problems like social care. But with the Tories so ahead in the polls, the status quo and making sure they don't have a repeat of the 'dementia tax' car crash seems to be the order of the day. Because Brexit is going to going to provide a magic solution instead...

Meanwhile the Labour Party have gone completely the other way and really have gone for it and come up with ideas. With a mixed response from the public and press.

And I still can't tell you what is in the LD one, cos Prince Andrew...

This week should see the election come into focus as postal voting starts. As it stands its hard to bet on anything but a Tory majority.

Pretty sure if Johnson offered Swinson a second referendum, she's go for it in return for a bit of confidence and supply voting until that went tits up.

It's not quite all over bar the shouting no matter what her Nibs thinks. There might be a pushback from the LibDem membership. Both of them.

I was reminded of this earlier .... in 2010, the LibDem membership was required to sign off what Cleggy had signed up to with the Tories

So who asked the chief rabbi to pipe up?

Presumably God.

Also I would hope so.

I'm not sure that he will lose all his Scottish seats though.

It sounds as if many will vote Tory to keep the union in tact.

Which doesn't make sense as the only way to protect the union is to stop his Brexit.

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I rather think the Chief Rabbi decided to do it himself. What with him being the Chief Rabbi.

If Nicola did a deal with BJ just to get her referendum then I think that's unforgivable

I'd hope they are a bit more canny than that. There's plenty of scope for getting legislation on the books that triggers a referendum at some future date, possibly contingent on . It could then be a safety net for the SNP. I think the single most obvious omission in successive parliaments has been a total and utter lack of imagination, vision and creativity which could have solved so much.

I'm not even going to peep at the second Tory thread.

One poster appeared to compare disable d people to endangered south American monkeys and a well known legal poster has just said on the first thread that is it OK to say women look silly in a burka just as it is OK to call people fat or say their hair looks awful (neither of which are things I would do). Apparently, both main parties protect our right to be deeply nasty.

I feel like I have fallen down a horrible rabbit hole.

The LibDems will tell them to jog on

I'd doubt that, tbh. This iteration of liberals are just as shifty as the 2010 vintage. Swinson is desperate for a ministerial car and a gold star on her behaviour chart. She is the least trustworthy of the 3 leading leaders. BJ you trust to not trust. (?)

I've checked out of that thread after discussing the Islamophobic element. Just not worth the key stokes and the blood pressure.

I suggest you report any anti disabled or anti Islamic posts you see.

DGR you may be right.

I don't think shes got the numbers yet.

And she does need to stop Scotland leaving the EU.

Talking about the Tories, I would 't be overly surprised if you had Yes voters voting for them.

Those that want out the EU may see it as the way to get independence.

I called her out on it re the disablist stuff bellini but I was the only one.

I am not sure MNHQ will want to delete all those posts and they may well fall for the it's not racist to say people look silly rhetoric, so...

Thanks for the hair stroke : I needed it!

How many times does Nicola have to explicitly say that she/the SNP would never do a deal with BJ?

Or is the public in England now so cynical about politicians that it's outwith their ken that there are politicians who do stand by their commitments?

thanks bellinisurge - it was shrouded in 'liberalism' and the freedom of speech thing, which falls unevenly on minorities who get abused as a result of this 'freedom' of others. In this case Muslim women.
Some time ago me and MrsPan were spat at, in the street, which is on the continuum of freedom of speech expression for others who take their cue from Johnson.

Sturgeon and Swinson would go into coalition with whoever would give them a referendum.

I don't think so.

See, I'd trust Sturgeon to NOT NEVER NO HOW do a deal with Johnson.

Swinson needs only a gentle push.

pretty I'm afraid I don't trust any of them.

And I know she is not popular with my friends and family up there.

The major issues at the big hospital are not.going to do her any favours.

I really can't see any prospect of a deal between the Conservatives and the SNP. Isn't the latest demand from Nicola Sturgeon for support to govern that Trident renewal is cancelled?!

www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50536460

This article suggests so. Is this a change from the SNP? I thought the their position always was that they wanted a "Nuclear Free Scotland" i.e. they didn't want them based there, a position I understand, not that they would insist on non renewal.

Depriving your erstwhile fellow citizens (not to mention all your lovely European neighbours) of their 24/7/365 deterrence protection and their in extremis means of defence seems a remarkably uncompromising position to me.

@Piggywaspushed , MNHQ eventually deleted a load of antisemitic posts in a "isn't JC fabulous " thread recently.
The only reason to leave them is to show up the posters for what they are.

It's been said that the 35 to 45 year old age group are particularly important to the balance of power rather than simply the boomers and millenials.

However they vote has usually had the decisive tilt in the last few elections.

Last time they went more Labour than had been anticipated.

So with that in mind have a look at the graph here:

www.gov.uk/performance/register-to-vote/REGISTRATIONS-BY-AGE-GROUP

Registrations in this age group are higher than older groups and they spike on the same days as the younger groups.

Now there's not much scientific in this analysis, it's just an observation but the pattern is interesting and suggests that there's something about those particular days that got people registering more than on other days.

You'd perhaps expect the pattern in people who were moving about rather than those who were longer term settled - and you'd expect by 35 that most people will be pretty settled... But therein could lie the rub with many more 35 to 45 year olds being renters who have to move more often than previous generations (and renters are less likely to vote Tory)

Why I don't know and it could mean nothing but it doesn't suggest the Tories are doing well with the 35 - 45 age group.

I've had a look at the last YouGov breakdown and can't find a huge amount of significance in this age group (it's 25 to 49 on YouGov breakdown) but it is the most undecided age group. This age group is most complimentary about Johnson of the leaders (but is still firmly preferring Labour) and its less complimentary to the LDs and Jo Swinson than Labour and Corbyn in other questions so you'd think left learners would ultimately favour Labour when it comes to the crunch.

I don't know yet. The first big YouGov poll is due at 10pm tomorrow.

I think we will get more of a sense of things from that. If only to see general patterns starting to form.

My gut is it will be EU electionesque but we shall see.

Just had a call from Survation. Made me wonder how honestly respondents answer. When asked to rate Jo Swinson I couldn't quite bring myself to choose the Unfavourable option even though often I rant to DH about my misgivings, as it felt mean to dis a local lass. Sigh. This, despite the fact I'm not voting tactically to keep the SNP out of my constituency this time (Swinson's constituency) and want my support for Labour to be counted (despite JC giving the impression of being well intentioned and principled, but flawed enough to not want to stand down and permit a more electable leader and of dubious competence

Very much agree with Louise Collins on NHS funding. The current situation of refusing to discuss what the NHS can realistically afford to offer in light of the happy fact of longer life expectancy and new expensive treatments must be bad for the NHS. Cons sneakily running it into the ground versus poorly researched funding feels like a poor choice.

Some time ago me and MrsPan were spat at, in the street That's bloody hideous.

The man in this clip is a labour leaver - he speaks a lot of sense

twitter.com/PeoplesMomentum/status/1199357526808158209

I've just had a gratifying few minutes scrawling on brexit party leaflets and then posting them back to brexit HQ .
I had a leaflet from one Dr. Philip Mars of the brexit party urging me to vote for him as my constituency hasn't had a tory MP since 1945. I live in a large complex of flats and I imagine everyone got them. Good advertising. EXCEPT ... we already have a brexit supporting tory MP and have had him since 2010. We are part of the Pudsey constituency. Dr. Phil is standing in ... Leeds West.
How can he be fit to stand for election in Leeds West if he doesn't even know where it frigging is?

It makes me wish I was on twitter so I could tweet him about his ignorance and waste of time and money. But if that doesn't sum up the calibre of the brexit party candidates - campaigning in the wrong constituency - then I don't know what does.

I can't see Swinson going into coalition with Tories, as LD were toasted in 2015 for doing that in 2010, and they have been trying to shed that legacy ever since. But I can see her doing a deal eg referendum in return for passing WA (which will require a massive extension...)

Rather enjoying this video this afternoon
inews.co.uk/news/politics/green-party-molly-scott-cato-brexit-party-robert-rowland-video-1324900