Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

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The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

Yes. I think the Observer (16/11/19) polls were linked to on here a while ago - and they placed LDs second in Finchley, but still a way behind the Conservatives.

Cendrillon That is - almost explicitly - what the article doesn't say.

The CBI, for example, are diplomatic - but behind the courtesy, what they are saying is they fear Brexit more.

Portillo lost in 1997 after having had a majority of 15,500 in the 1992 election, so all sorts of weird things are possible.

And the Guardian reporting that businesses are not skipping for joy about the Tory manifesto.

In the large manufacturing business where I work, I genuinely cannot think of one person in management who supports Brexit - and let's face it the tories don't really have any other policies. That pothole stuff is "cone line" territory, for fellow oldies who reminisce about the Major government.

Businesses tend not to speak out on very controversial political issues,
especially not when the country is so bitterly divided and when there is so much emotion about Brexit

The fallout could seriously damage them

• customers rejecting them, losing govt contracts etc

Yes, Misti.

I wasn't paying much attention but at least one music industry group has taken to Twitter to remind people how damaging Brexit will be for the creative industry ahead of the GE.

Industry does not like Brexit.

It goes well beyond 'a bit of trade friction'.

And the Daily Mail wimbling on about non-Labour manifesto scare stuff ('they're going to seize all public schools and nationalise everything') tells you that Daily Mail readers aren't actually anywhere near the top of large businesses.

No, they don't BigChoc.

DH attended some of the 'Chatham House rules' meetings between industry and government over a year ago.

Behind closed doors, the worries are real - and the impact was serious even then.

Why the message isn't getting through to Leavers is anyone's guess. They are just so bloody stubborn and blind.

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Just walked in from mad weekend! Final convo was with someone who initially told me he was planning to vote for Iain Duncan Smith but ended with him shaking my hand, saying I’d won his vote.
Don’t let anyone tell you change isn’t possible.

I agree in strong remain constituencies the lib dems revoke stance is winning them votes and will be the reason why they win them, if they do.

Those who like the revoke stance would very likely have voted LD anyway! They were already very clearly the main Remain party with their “Bollocks to Brexit”... It’s those who are less strident Remainers who have a problem with it.

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Why the message isn't getting through to Leavers is anyone's guess. They are just so bloody stubborn and blind.

The objective and analytical sources are not on their radar
The Economist has few pictures, no bylines and small print
the FT does not do sleb news

the tabloids have a vested interest to not report things that will lose them readers

Why the message isn't getting through to Leavers is anyone's guess.

Why the message - let Boris Johnson and the Tories get in and say goodbye to the NHS isn't getting through to Leavers is absolutely beyond me.

Another thread on here had people complaining about prescription charges, the problem is people just don't know what an American system would bring.
They simply can't imagine it.
It is the same when they talk about the bedroom tax.
They think they are on the floor.
They have no idea how many basement levels there are.

I read a post earlier on where the poster said the Tories are not a right wing party.

A poster was trying to claim that on the Feminist board. All part of the disinformation drive, isn't it?

ListeningQuietly both my brother and dh are Leavers; neither read the tabloids or are interested in slebs. Nor are they racist bigots. This is why the message isn't getting out - because the assumptions made are simply not true. Maybe there are some who fit that ignorant thoughtless mould (of course there are) but there are others who are just like us but with a different pov.

I was surprised to find that quite a few of my relatives are Leavers though most are for Remain. I know that most of the , businessmen and 'chattering classes' I know round here voted leave. They're really not racist, bigoted, stupid, uneducated etc.

You're blaming the wrong things, that's why your message isn't getting out, because you're aiming it at the wrong lot. There will always be some bottom-feeders who won't hear you, so concentrate on why the rest - who are just like you - think differently and see if you can change that without using those tired assumptions.

So why did they vote Leave jux out of interest?

Tories definitely come up as a right wing party on isidewith.com. they do a nice infographic with 4 quadrants : Boris's lot are on the right in the middle of authoritarian and libertarian. Marginally to the left of BXP!

I was some bonkers left wing mostly authoritarian, which I think makes me a communist.

Green are lefter than labour...

What information sources do they use to reach their decision Jux ?

I didn't find the graph piggy. I don't know if I can be arsed doing the whole quiz again though.

No, it took a while!! To tell me what I already knew, to be fair. How many people are honestly surprised? Guessing maybe the Tories who thought they were left wing

I was thinking about it earlier today - I wonder if a lot of people see themselves as being in the centre but they are actually on the right, so further right seems fine to them, and left of centre seems extreme. But in their heads they are sensible centre people.

But the Leavers always come out with soundbites. Remainers I know will give positive reasons e.g. one person who had always worked in scientific research said was because he'd had EU grants and been able to recruit EU staff, which had been good for both him personally and for the research he was able to do. I have never heard a precise reason like that from a Leaver.

I perhaps should have added, this was a retired scientist - who in the early days had had to go to the USA to further his research and was part of the 1960s brain drain. Many like him were glad to come back and be able to do well funded research in their own country.