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Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?

982 replies

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2019 17:44

The Brexit Party aren't doing one.

The Labour Party apparently can't afford theirs.

The Conservatives will just lie anyway.

And the LDs got upstaged by Prince Andrew's resignation from royal duties for being a fuckwit.

3 weeks to go...

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FadingStar · 24/11/2019 18:14

I'm in a very safe Sinn Fein seat. There simply wouldn't be any point in voting for anyone else and besides....they're remain.

BercowsFestiveFlamingo · 24/11/2019 18:15

Hi @tobee! I've enjoyed my time away after the brexit arms gave me the rage and lost the thread on here so I gave up. I seem to have come back into the middle of a heated debate though.
I've realised tonight that I don't have my poll card yet. I'm definitely registered. They send an electoral roll form out every 3 months it seems and I sent one back a couple of months ago just to make sure they'd got me down correctly.
The manifestos are not surprising in any way. Promises promises and no idea where the money is coming from. I anticipate a hung parliament.

FadingStar · 24/11/2019 18:17

The Tories promised a replacement for ESF funding in their last manifesto then ducked the issue once they retained power. Their manifesto might as well be written on Johnson's bog roll.

RufusthebewiIderedreindeer · 24/11/2019 18:20

mybrainhurtsalot

I was thinking of voting for the independent as long as they weren’t saying anything completely repulsive

I have told dd who is a week off voting age that as long as she researches properly i will vote for whomever she decides...we’ll see how that goes

MockersFactCheckMN · 24/11/2019 18:20

I see Saj is going to restore nursing bursaries.

Now who was it took them away in the first place?

It was probably that Jeremy Corbyn.

WeshMaGueule · 24/11/2019 18:25

Rufus You can always help a minority party save their deposit to live to fight another day.

FadingStar · 24/11/2019 18:26

Reading through the comments in the Daily Mail, a lot of readers are convinced Johnson is a remainer who actually sidelined Mogg because of his ultra Brexit views and did it under the guise of his disgusting comments on Grenfell. They seem to believe johnson is in 'cahoots' with the EU.

Never heard that one before.Confused

BigChocFrenzy · 24/11/2019 18:28

"I'm in a very safe Sinn Fein seat. There simply wouldn't be any point in voting for anyone else"

That's a case where personally I'd really want to vote against them, if there were an Alliance or SDLP candidate, or a moderate Independent
Of course if the only other candidate were DUP, I'd just spoil my ballot with a very disgusted message

At least 450 of the 651 seats are safe
There is still a point in voting to reduce their majority, even if just to try to bring it below 50% or whatever
It would be worrying if voters in â…” of the seats don't bother to vote

Just because you are pretty sure you'll lose, is no reason to give up
Otherwise everyone on these threads might just as well vote for BJ to be on the winning side and help give the NHS and the disabled a good kicking

Recovery from defeat happens more quickly if the losing side keep fighting on

SwedishEdith · 24/11/2019 18:28

Regarding spoiling the ballot paper, I remember reading that when the results are very close/tied the returning officer (?) will inspect the spoilt ballots to see if any can be legitimately claimed by one or other of the tied parties.

Yes, be careful with that. A penis counted as vot for a Tory MP.

Most of us feel we can't vote positively - I don't think that's a unique position. And my seat (which was one thought to switch) now looks like it won't = even more depressing.

bellinisurge · 24/11/2019 18:31

"It's just that you keep coming here and posting over and over again that you intend to spoil your vote and dislike all the parties for one reason and another,"
This is the Westminsterenders thread. People are on here over and over with their views. It's just that , today, for daring to say I don't like Corbyn and I have no one to vote for, I have had a few having a go.
Equating spoiling your ballot with not being arsed to vote is rather insulting. But, hey, it's have a go day do, why not?

SwedishEdith · 24/11/2019 18:33

Ian Warren
@election_data
"Is Bolsover close as things stand?", they ask
[Pause]
"No. No it's not", I reply
"Great, thanks!", they say (little knowing they'd asked the wrong question) 😀

bellinisurge · 24/11/2019 18:33

"Of course if the only other candidate were DUP, I'd just spoil my ballot with a very disgusted message"
But surely that is a dreadful position to take. Disgusting even. You are spitting on the graves of our predecessors with such an attitude 😂😂😂😂

thecatfromjapan · 24/11/2019 18:34

Today's bulletin in an occasional series entitled, 'Small Acts of the People's Heroism':

I came across a couple, complete with one baby in a sling and one in a push-chair, standing in a tube station, asking people if they'd registered to vote, and handing out small cards with info on how to register.

I asked them about what they were doing and it turned out they'd made and printed the flyers themselves - out of their own pockets - and got themselves organised to go down to the tube station.

Seriously, people know how important this GE is.

It's a fork in the road.

It's a turning point.

If we take one route - May heaven help us.

It will take a generation to turn back from it.

Many of us may not be around to see that turning back.

People are trying so hard to avert that terrible step.

Goodness knows, I wish I knew what madness has settled in places like Grimsby.

And my heart is with those who are fighting on.

FadingStar · 24/11/2019 18:35

BCF I honestly believe Alliance is the best party we have in NI right now. Said to my mum I am leaning that way but SF will hold the seat.

Totally agree about DUP. Despise that shower. Over here a number of charities had to be sanctioned for writing a letter to the UUP asking them to stand aside in Nigel Dodds' seat in a north Belfast to give him the best chance of winning. After EVERYTHING the DUP did re. Brexit, absolute eejits still support them.

thecatfromjapan · 24/11/2019 18:37

And - for what it's worth - Tuesday is the deadline to register to vote.

Many students are still not registered.

Libraries have the highest footfall in university buildings.

Some kind of action, around lunch-time, Monday and Tuesday, to get those young people to register is A Good Idea and A Thing Worth Doing.

placemats · 24/11/2019 18:41

I'm not a 'diehard' Labour or Tory.

However, Carrie Symonds tweet on animal rights from the Conservative Party has swung it for me. The hypocrisy! Hello?

www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/0/life-times-boris-johnson-pictures/boris-brace-pheasant-end-days-shoot-dalmeny-estate-scotland/

borntobequiet · 24/11/2019 18:42

Posting this again
m.youtube.com/watch?v=HKz-6vn_i00
This is what we are losing

OhYouBadBadKitten · 24/11/2019 18:42

A fair number of universities will be seeing strike action over the next couple of weeks. dds student union are asking students not to use any uni facilities in solidarity, including the uni libraries.

And to add to the mix, the weather charts are starting to throw in the possibility of snow from next weekend for a few days, even in the south.

PeninsulaPanic · 24/11/2019 18:42

I'll vote because we have a decent, long-serving Labour MP here. I'm also partial to Corbyn, although I couldn't eat a whole one. Johnson's ERG-Conservatives and Swansong's GlibDums give me the dry heave, on the other hand, so there's no contest as far as I'm concerned.

But I don't have a problem with spoilt ballot papers, it's (still just about) a free country after all. And it's mean (not to mention unethical) to play the old "women died so you could vote" card. I'm pretty sure most of those women would also have died for the right to protest by not voting, no matter how dire the country's fortunes were. And let's not forget that, as far as we know, they didn't sacrifice themselves so that legislation meant facilitating paedophiles' and rapists' access to single sex spaces, even if only unintentionally.

Mistigri · 24/11/2019 18:44

I'm also partial to Corbyn, although I couldn't eat a whole one

This is very good Grin

Which bits do you find indigestible?

placemats · 24/11/2019 18:45

FadingStar Both my mum and brother have decided to vote SF because they are both Remain and the Alliance candidate has no hope.

They voted Alliance in the EU.

tobee · 24/11/2019 18:47

From my one experience of being an observer at a local council election count I was surprised that so many dodgy ballots did get included in the count. Presumably because the idea is that accidentally disenfranchising voters is seen as the worst thing.

By the way, people are rubbish at voting, as in placing an X in a box next to their candidate of choice. Goodness knows how they'd managed in proportional voting system ConfusedShock

FadingStar · 24/11/2019 18:48

Placemats yes it will definitely be Sinn Fein. Tbh I am not sure what our election will mean...even if Remain parties get in surely it will be meaningless if the Tories get a majority?

SwedishEdith · 24/11/2019 18:49

Many students are still not registered.

But maybe they're registered at home? Surely most students' parents just keep them on?

mybrainhurtsalot · 24/11/2019 18:52

cartoonchurch.com/content/cc/the-election/

This CartoonChurch.com cartoon by Dave Walker originally appeared in the Church Times.

Westminstenders: Manifesto or Bust?