Westministenders: Promises, promises

[BigChocFrenzy]

We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

Tories proposing to increase the 'foreigner tax':

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/17/factcheck-tory-proposals-charge-foreigners-more-use-nhs

Considering that foreigners in employment also pay NI like the rest of us, at the same rate, this is a discriminatory tax levied on people purely on the basis of their nationality. How is that ok?
How is it ok to tax people for who they are?

Cendrillon On these threads, we have repeatedly criticised Corbyn and Labour for failure to tackle anti-semitism

I've never read you or any other Tory here criticise the Tories for their Islamophobia
How about it ?

Otherwise, I can only assume that for you criticism should only be against Labour; that the Tory party get a free pass on Islmophobia
and I'll keep posting about Tory Islamophobia, to even things up

Sunrise was 7.26 this morning

Not here in Argyll (and Bute).

I wasn't awake then anyway but a certain being was hoping that I soon would be.

and polling showed a third of middle-class voters feared a slump in living standards in the next decade.

In a way that gives me hope that the Tories can bee seen off in the not too distant future. At the moment, it's too easy for reasonably comfortably off middle class people to be complacent - when they see their own contemporaries having to use food banks or start bailing out relatives waiting for UC, they might begin to change their minds.

sunglasses123 "We have almost full employment now and very low interest rates for borrowing."

I'm not sure how long those low rates are going to last if Moody's et al downgrade the UK's credit rating, as they are currently considering.
Here's a link I imagine you can access behind the paywall: www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2019/11/11/moodys-issues-debt-downgrade-warning-entire-world/
and here's one from a slightly more balanced source: news.sky.com/story/moodys-downgrades-uks-credit-outlook-after-brexit-paralysis-11857899

On these threads, we have repeatedly criticised Corbyn and Labour for failure to tackle anti-semitism

If that supposed “criticism” leaves you still voting for and endorsing the Labour Party, what exactly is that criticism worth? Almost nothing, right? You can condemn the Tories as much as you like, but you have to take responsibility for the party you choose to vote for, and the logic of your position is that it’s OK to vote for an antisemitic party as long as you dislike the opposition more.

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@CendrillonSings so have you ever condemned or criticised Tory Islamophobia? If not, why not? If so, why do you endorse the Tories?
I am neither Tory nor Labour supporter, but you are coming over as a complete hypocrite here

you are coming over as a complete hypocrite here

Well, if it looks, talks and walks (with its knuckles trailing the ground) like a Tory...

Cendrillon I condemn both Labour anti-semitism and Tory Islamophobia, as racism
Can you do the same ?

If not, is it because you won't condemn Islamophobia, or that you will never condemn the Tory party for anything?

Tory baroness Warsi again - she can condemn both:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-twitter-antisemitic-jewish-labour-member-corbyn-momentum-a9184601.html

"Michael's on a mission to fight antisemitism - noble cause"

"But you can’t feed one form of racism and profess to fight another because that’s not challenging bigotry, it’s playing politics.

"And both British Jews and British Muslims deserve better than this divisive approach."

@CendrillonSings , I ain't voting Labour because of antisemitism. I ain't voting Tory because they are Tories.
Currently proposing to spoil my paper with NONE written across it.

I know that shy Tories are a thing, but JC and Labour under hom have been so maligned in the MSM, I wonder are there shy Labour voters now?

bellini I was wondering where Lord Buckethead might be standing - afaik, underneath the cardboard box he is a decent guy
< awaits posters who will shatter my illusions about His Lordship >

He can't stand as Lord Buckethead because of copyright restrictions, but is standing in Uxbridge as Count Binface:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Buckethead

People aren’t as gullible as Corbyn thinks - they know free stuff isn’t actually free

The Tories are making completely uncosted and unrealistic spending commitments, too. And as they want to crash us out of the EU transition at the end of 2020, there won't be any money for anything.

@sunglasses123, if you don’t mean to be rude, don’t follow an apology with a description of us as raving loonies.
I do mean to be rude when I say that you sound self centred, gullible and stupid.
You also ought to know that the habits on this thread of listening , using evidence, and thinking beyond ones own circumstances, are infectious. So you better not stick around or you might start thinking independently.

Tom Newton Dunn@tnewtondunn

PM gives "an absolutely categorical assurance" that Sajid Javid will remain as Chancellor if he wins the election.

But looks like others in the Cabinet are for the chop.
< sticks pins in effigies of JRM and Patel >

Adds that he doesn't "want to answer absolutely exhaustively" about everyone else.

It would be interesting to have an analysis of previous general elections manifestos to see how much of what was promised actually happened. Both main parties are currently trying to outdo one another making all sorts of interesting manifesto pledges to spend squillions of billions but until we know the outcome of Brexit (Deal,No Deal or 2nd Referendum) it is impossible to forecast what state the economy will be in, how much money we will have and what the spending priorities will be. We still have not had a proper cost analysis of Boris's deal, we do not know how much 'getting Brexit done' is going to cost the economy so how can they continue to make these promises when they have absolutely no idea how the country will be in 12 months time.

Manifestos are not and never have been legally binding
therefore its all just hot air frankly

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@BigChocFrenzy Lord Buckethead or whoever he has regenerated into would be an option I could accept. Sadlyhappily, I'm not in Uxbridge.

Tobee. The gorgeous Dionne in a lovely red dress. Thank you, gonna find her on Spotify.

The relevance of manifestos (so Laura Kunessberg informed me the other day) is that if something’s in them and they pass in the Commons, the Lords can’t vote them down. Who knew? I certainly didn’t.

Just scroll ...

There are reasons people might want to disrupt a useful resource like these threads.

Peter Oborne, leaver and Mail/Telegraph writer, wrote about institutionalised islamophobia in the Tory party here:

www.middleeasteye.net/opinion/boris-johnson-incapable-tory-party-islamophobia-problem

You can easily demonstrate how widespread a problem it is: search on twitter for people who say they are Conservative party members, and then do a "from:username" search with Islam or Muslim as your search term. You will get islamophobic hits more often than not.

And this thread is a useful resource. Thank you everyone. Please keep on scrolling and don’t stop posting.