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Westministenders: Promises, promises

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2019 17:46

We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

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ListeningQuietly · 20/11/2019 22:27

Poll data ....
Survation use phone polls
most young people do not have landlines .....

SwedishEdith · 20/11/2019 22:38

I was wondering about who answers phone polls. Our landline has been ringing a lot recently - we never answer it except for ILs - but I wondered if it might be pollsters and got excited. But thought that only old people answer their landlines now. Ivan Lewis rang me once 😮

ContinuityError · 20/11/2019 22:51

Just out of interest, do NHS doctors have to pay into the NHS pension scheme, and if not (as in they can have a private scheme) then does the NHS scheme give them a better return?

lonelyplanetmum · 20/11/2019 22:52

Did you see on that dog poo clip the man concluded with

" you've got our vote anyway Mr Johnson. Let's get Brexit done -get'em out !"

Clearly linked matters in his reasoning.

Why do I have this feeling he didn't mean EU citizens, or moderates in the Tory party or those who don't clean up dog poo?
What will happen when similar voters twig that the decline in EU immigration is being replaced with non EU?

SwedishEdith · 20/11/2019 23:00

Priti Patel was in Barrow today. You can see the clip below.

BBC North West
@BBCNWT
"You can't blame the Government for poverty." The Home Secretary has been in #Barrow today where Labour has a margin of just 209. Will she win enough voters over? More with
@Ninawarhurst
tonight.

twitter.com/BBCNWT/status/1197196302024617985?s=20

HesterThrale · 20/11/2019 23:22

Maybe it’s been posted before, but this really is a very good interview from Ciaran Jenkins of C4.
Gove looks really rattled as he tries to shut Jenkins up with verbosity about him mounting an attack with a left wing agenda. But CJ is simply asking questions.
It’s worrying though - it’s almost like claiming ‘fake news’ when simply being held to account.

m.youtube.com/watch?v=NO2zT9-B2X4

Motheroffourdragons · 20/11/2019 23:34

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BigChocFrenzy · 20/11/2019 23:38

Nearly all Thursday papers have Prince Andrew filling the front page.

Just the Guardian leading with Labour's 75 bn housing pledge

Westministenders: Promises, promises
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Peregrina · 20/11/2019 23:40

Oh dear, I really couldn't be bothered to continue to listen to Gove. But when he's asked about CCHQ, do others like me tend to think of GCHQ?

Peregrina · 20/11/2019 23:42

There is the feeling in our household that Prince Andrew has taken one for the (Tory) team. How good to push Johnson and Tory failures off the front pages.

TheABC · 21/11/2019 00:00

Just why are the Tories so panicked? They are ahead in the polls and the biggest newspapers side with them.

Why bother with the fake news, such as the Twitter fakery?

mathanxiety · 21/11/2019 00:43

PM gives "an absolutely categorical assurance" that Sajid Javid will remain as Chancellor if he wins the election.

In other words, Javid is the chosen stooge whose Budgets will reflect post No-Deal reality, and who will have to explain to the country that actually, no-deal Brexit will have terrible consequences for ordinary people.

mathanxiety · 21/11/2019 00:44

Sunglasses, if the prospect of experiments worries you, I suggest you gird your loins for vulture capitalism and the Libertarian revolution that is rolling inexorably your way.

The idea that tax structure should be kept as congenial as possible for the very rich or they will not pay anything at all is a condemnation of the very rich, not of the Labour party.

tobee · 21/11/2019 02:14

Looking at that Gove video as well as everything else, he's so fucking patronising! Angry

RedToothBrush · 21/11/2019 07:26

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/nov/20/quiz-can-you-name-these-leading-politicians
Guardian quiz. How sad have you become?

Mistigri · 21/11/2019 07:29

I was wondering about who answers phone polls.

I only ever answer the phone if I recognise the number.

The only people I know who still use landlines to make or receive calls are my parents and ILs who are in their 80s.

mrslaughan · 21/11/2019 07:30

Well Pritti Patel gave Gove a run for his money on condenscending arsehole.
It was so astonishing in its dishonesty.........the Tory voters will lap it up. It's always ever on else's fault....

prettybird · 21/11/2019 07:30

12/16 Blush

HoneysuckIejasmine · 21/11/2019 07:41

11/16. Had some trouble with older white men. So, you know, quite a large % of parliament.

HesterThrale · 21/11/2019 07:50

15/16. Blush
I clearly follow the news too closely. Off to do something else!

derxa · 21/11/2019 07:51

14/16 I'm very sad indeed

Hoooo · 21/11/2019 07:54

11/16

Pan2 · 21/11/2019 07:56

8/16.

Steady, even-handed.

mathanxiety · 21/11/2019 07:56

cherin Tue 19-Nov-19 21:02:31
I found the question about personal integrity and trust interesting, and somewhat a missed opportunity for JC. He could have plopped a joke about himself having secrets only in growing techniques at the allotment, and not involving secret children...or not having repeated “31st of October” a million times a day for 3 months, just to do a U turn...

I disagree - Imo some things are better left hanging there, unsaid. People watching are then free to form their own impression of Johnson just from the question.

Also, dragging children into it would have been unseemly.

Tanith · 21/11/2019 08:04

Not to sidetrack too much about South West Surrey, but for reasons I didn't really understand the LD candidate was not eligible in 2015 and they backed NHA candidate in 2017 so there's no recent GE history here.

I’ve mentioned that on previous Westminsterender threads: it was very odd.

When Jeremy Hunt first took the SW Surrey seat (2005?), the votes were much closer - in fact, he once told the local paper that he considered the seat marginal back then.

In the 2015 election, something odd happened to the LibDem candidate. Both the people who’d signed his papers withdrew their endorsement, saying he’d forged their signatures. He was suspended and convicted at trial, I think.
It’s odd because he had no need to do it: the LibDems are quite strong here and any number of them would happily sign election papers.
So that gave JH a practically clear run at a massive majority.

In the next election, the NHS candidate was at first endorsed by both Labour and the LibDems and they got behind the campaign. Then the national parties told them to stop that and campaign properly for their own parties. Lots of confusion, three local Labour members were expelled, anger and recrimination all round and, again, JH walked into his seat with a big majority because those who would have voted against him either didn’t bother or split the vote.

So the SW Surrey seat may look like a huge majority on paper, but could actually be much more shaky:
It’s a Remain area and, while JH was a Remainer, he’s changed his mind and even seemed to support No Deal. That’s infuriated Remainers, but he had his eye on becoming PM and no doubt thought he could placate the locals in time for the next GE;

There’s been a lot of house building - I won’t bore you with what’s been going on there, but it means a lot of people moved into the area who are not traditional Tory voters;

JH is not having a good campaign.
He’s been too invested in national politics and his own career so he has very few local achievements to list. He’s been reduced to boasting about the Olympic torch in 2012 and shuffling X-Ray machines from one hospital to another (thus reminding the electorate that hospitals, largely thanks to him, are so cash-strapped they can’t afford their own equipment!).

Contrast that with a popular and well-known LibDem candidate and you’ll understand why the Conservative party faithful are firing both barrels every time PF so much as likes a post on a certain Community board Grin.

Gosh! That was a side-track and a half!

Oh, and Guildford are furious that Boris Johnson considers them expendable.
Really, you’d almost think someone somewhere wants to crash the Conservative Party in Surrey, wouldn’t you?