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Westministenders: Promises, promises

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BigChocFrenzy · 17/11/2019 17:46

We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

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ArseDarkly · 19/11/2019 20:31

Why didn't Jezza challenge him on the lies about the hospitals??

chomalungma · 19/11/2019 20:32

That's got to be the world's fastest handshake

TheABC · 19/11/2019 20:32

Watching the debate now with the following frivolous thoughts:

  • Johnson really does look knackered. If Labour had anyone younger than Corbyn up against him, they would look fresh-faced and new.
  • Corbyn looks and sounds clear, angry and articulate. Everything "fully costed"
  • Johnson accurately skewers the Labour position on flip-flopping over the referendum. Blames Parliament (as expected). I bloody wish he would speak directly with his answers.
  • I need wine.
chomalungma · 19/11/2019 20:34

Johnson's policy is to say 'But Labour'....

It would have been more interesting if Jo Swinson had been involved.

I wish someone would call out Johnson's lies.

ContinuityError · 19/11/2019 20:35

Looks like Johnson wants to bring everything back to Brexit and nail Corbyn on how he would campaign in a second referendum?

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 19/11/2019 20:36

I thought JC said there would be a border down the Irish Sea - which is true, isn’t it?

He did but I’m pretty sure before that he said, more than once, that it would be between NI and RoI.

tobee · 19/11/2019 20:36

So we had (high?) expectations that Corbyn would wipe the floor with Johnson (?) but that's means he's likely to fall short of that.

TheABC · 19/11/2019 20:36

NHS doctor: this could be interesting...

derxa · 19/11/2019 20:36

Some of you are too young to remember Michael Foot and his awful glasses. A lovely man..an intellectual.. head and shoulders above Jeremy Corbyn. Unfortunately optics matter.

chomalungma · 19/11/2019 20:37

Looks like Johnson wants to bring everything back to Brexit and nail Corbyn on how he would campaign in a second referendum

Imagine you had that in a drinking game Grin

AutumnCrow · 19/11/2019 20:37

Hopefully hospital doctor question will be effective here

ContinuityError · 19/11/2019 20:38

40 new hospitals lie again!

ContinuityError · 19/11/2019 20:39

chomalungma

I’d be comatose by now.

SingingBabooshkaBadly · 19/11/2019 20:39

40 new hospitals FFS. Why does nobody ever ask him how those hospitals would be staffed?

chomalungma · 19/11/2019 20:39

This is the problem that Corbyn has in PMQs - thinking on his feet and responding to Johnson's lies

tobee · 19/11/2019 20:39

I know people on here often look fondly back on Foot but I always thought he was a bit of a bore, rather over impressed by his own oratory skills.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/11/2019 20:41

As I posted before, my mum was a disabled widow
many of those like me who grew up very poor would never have gone to uni if it meant taking out a loan

I only went because I had all fees paid and a full grant, from BSC to PhD
"Help" wouldn't have been enough, only being fully financed could make up for not taking the safe job at Boots that family pushed when I was 17.

Free uni changed my life
I escaped from great poverty and later rescued my mum from poverty too

There were so many barriers, so much discouragement from those around me:
"ideas above your station", "snooty", "get a job at 18 and support your mum" ...

I had no network to help, no role models

and when you're poor you have a horror of debt, because you've seen that poor people get trapped by debt and can't get out of it like the mc can.

yes, I know a degree is supposed to open doors, but when you're poor you aren't really sure that will ever be true for you

Free uni may reduce costs for the rich minority, but it can massively change lives for the poorest
Fees were paid for everyone, but the maintenance grant was means tested, so better off families had to chip in.
No system is perfect, but that actually worked for poor students.

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ContinuityError · 19/11/2019 20:42

At last! Corbyn has called out the 40 hospitals lie.

Etchingham having to work hard, keeps telling Johnson to stop reverting to Brexit.

TheABC · 19/11/2019 20:42

@tobee, I had very low expectations. I honestly thought Johnson would be better.

Interviewer steering Johnson away from Brexit. Again.

Belindabelle · 19/11/2019 20:42

Janey Godley is doing a live voiceover of the debate over on Twitter. It is more truthful than this shit show.

Dusty01 · 19/11/2019 20:42

I think Corbyn is very principled and doesn’t like playing the blame game or being unkind. I’m not able to watch it live - just reading your commentary.

That Danny Dyer clip earlier on. With Twat and Trotters up, JC did not laugh and I thought he didn’t want to join in with mockery and meanness.

Dusty01 · 19/11/2019 20:43

Trouble is though bullies like BJ need to be pulled up and shown to be what they are.

TheABC · 19/11/2019 20:44

ITV audience have some bloody good questions.

BigChocFrenzy · 19/11/2019 20:45

I respected Foot's intellect, his literary talent, his knowledge of history

However, as the joke then was:
he knew more about the 19th century than his own

He also failed the "optics" in his appearance, which mattered even in the early 1980s

Still, if it hadn't been for the Falklands war - which her govt stumbled into by not paying attention to Argentinian threats -
Thatcher might not even have survived her first term without being replaced by the ruthless Tory Men in Grey
and Labour might well have won the GE

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 19/11/2019 20:46

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