Westministenders: Promises, promises

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We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

A rather good Labour PP broadcast tonight. It features ...gasp.. a farmer

Boris looks knackered......
I am not sure I can watch.

It maybe a positive for jo swinson that she is not included (I think the more she talks, the more she turns people off...... but it pisses me off that the media are re-inforcing the two party system.
Ok have to turn Boris off - I feel my blood pressure rising

DH "what is wrong with Corbyn's face? His right eye is half closed. Has he had a stroke?"

BTW stuff like appearance are really important to how voters make decisions.

Jeez, I’d be three drinks in and it was only Johnson’s opening statement

Jeez, I’d be three drinks in and it was only Johnson’s opening statement Yes that was bloody ridiculous

He is just talking in slogans - don't know if that appeals , but that really ticks me off. It's like executives using jargon for the sake of it.....

Hic

BTW stuff like appearance are really important to how voters make decisions. Sadly that's true Even tiny details like Jo Swinson's teeth and earrings

Oh god - Jeeza's glasses are crooked and that's giving the weird effect on his eyes

Jeremy will never say if he will campaign for Leave or Remain

I disagree I think the principal benefit of free uni is to the lower and middle income levels. At the moment even OU fees are putting off poorer people.

I think encouraging debt among the population is a terrible idea anyway.

Some benefit goes to the rich, but they’re a small proportion of the population. (Depending now you define rich). And uni for them is easy either way.

This MN post on uni fees makes some very good points:

This brings me so much anger to this day, and I took out my student loans from back in 2012 when 9k tuition fees were introduced.

I did a 3 year undergrad and I left with a 50k debt. I can live with my 50k student loan. Fine, the government wants to pass the cost on to students (not that I agree you they should be doing that) but fine.

But the interest rates are so unbelievably outrageous I have no NO CLUE how they've gotten away with completely shafting the whole (especially poorer) student population.

Do people realise the interest rate on student loans is 3% + RPI? It's currently at 6.6%

6.6% interest this year on a 50k loan. That's at least £3300.

I earn a £45k salary and I still won't cover the interest this year. I have been earning a fairly decent salary since graduating and I have never covered the yearly interest.

My outstanding debt goes up and up each year even though I'm paying them thousands in the year. I now owe them £55k after giving them around £6k since I graduated.

They will carry on taking 9% of my salary over 25k and 9% of all my bonuses for the next 30 years.

Anyone who took out max loan (aka from a poorer background) and ended up breaking the barrier through to a better life is fucked over the most.

The wealthier families get away mostly scott free.

I think it's absolutely outrageous, and I'm not sure people realise how fucked over we're actually getting with interest rates. I have a debt that I can never even start to pay off. I will pay them probably double what I initially owed them over the next 30 years.

Honourable mention: they also charge max interest rates on your outstanding loan for the duration of your study.

Honestly, people do really think things like 'not voting for him, look at his bloody glasses!'

Johnson seems under prepared at the moment, although JC Just coming across as magic grandad.

I bloody despair, so tempted to just write 'None, they're all shit' on my ballot paper. (I won't, I know it's a waste) 😏

Ooh like the visual from JC

Wish Boris wouldn't keep talking when he's done at to be done

This isn't a debate.

They aren't talking to each other.

It's a rent a soundbite

Both coming across evasive

^^ My post above was a response to this:

It's actually quite a regressive policy economically because much of the benefit goes to the children of wealthy families and the highest future earners.

This bit I agree with:

I'm not against free education - just saying that if Labour were serious about improving social mobility and targeting public spending at the lowest earners, then it would not be prioritising making HE free

I agree that abolishing uni fees won’t have that much impact on social mobility. But it would make life easier and less debt-laden from lower socio-economic brackets.

But I can’t disagree that Labour needs to target low earners and those on benefits. The whole benefit system needs to be reformed - and not in an IDS way. JSA levels are unliveable. ESA and PIP need to be completely transformed as Tory austerity has really been an attack on their human rights and shoved sick and disabled further into disadvantage.

JC seems not to understand the basics of BJs deal.... Apparently there will be a border between RoI and NI and the DUP don’t want that!

Completely agree red - it's just one sound bite after another - what a waste of time

Glad I didn’t include “oven ready deal” to my list. I’d be at 8 drinks by now.

Very confused by Corbyn’s comments about the deal. Did he say Republic of Ireland - twice - when he meant to say U.K?

'Look at what I've said I'm going to do as prime minister, and look what I've done' - laughter from the audience as Johnson says this.

'Does the truth matter in this election?'
'I think it does' says Johnson - even louder laughter from the audience

JC seems not to understand the basics of BJs deal.... Apparently there will be a border between RoI and NI and the DUP don’t want that!

I thought JC said there would be a border down the Irish Sea - which is true, isn’t it?

Laughter at Johnson saying “the truth matters” yet Johnson’s just told a couple of whoppers - the 40 new hospitals and no border in the Irish Sea