Westministenders: Promises, promises

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We should see the party manifestos soon
in 2017, that changed the election

So far, Tory and Labour have been competing for who can offer the most spending on the NHS

Labour have been giving tantalising glimpses of free dental care and free broadband

The Tories have been hinting at tax cuts, as well as public spending

The polls suggest the public like all of the above,
but also that Brexit is the most important issue

25 days to go, still all to play for

Westministenders' Abbreviations:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/eu_referendum_2016_/3492426-Westministenders-Abbreviation?msgid=84503730

This is neat visualisation of how remain/leave is primarily about liberalism/authoritarianism rather than left/right. The economically left-wing/ highly authoritarian bulge on the upper left is the "old white bloke" vote.

Peter Stefanovic
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Boris Johnson, twice sacked for lying, who misled the Queen & unlawfully suspended Parliament, whose party has had two referendums, three general elections & three leaders in the last five years says only his party can deliver 'certainty' to British firms!

Actually I really enjoyed reading your moment of rage mrslaughan and knew who it was directed at. I thought you were spot on.

Out of touch.

Have spent weekend largely clearing up sick or being sick. All better now.

Trying to catch up...

mrslaughlan

Here is a brave take from Glen O'Hara (historian at Oxford Brookes) that will please poster but perhaps not others .

I think this point marks the Tory high water mark at #GE2019 - possibly, with talk of Cabinet formation, the peak of their campaign hubris.
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Jez will likely win the debate tomorrow outright. He knows what he thinks. BoJo can't lay a finger on him, because he's arrogant, lazy, entitled, fuddled and imprecise.

The #Labour poll recovery will continue gradually building up as they squeeze Don't Know, LD and Green (in that size order).

Remember - if there are 75 SNP/LD/PC/SDLP/APNI MPs, Labour need only make it to as low as 246 to govern in some form.^

Thinks that a Lab minority govt is as likely as a Tory majority one. That's brave at this point (I shall consider my opinion on it for a day or three).

Not sure I agree but would like to think so!

Me too.

I think he is probably right about the debate. You might not agree with Corbyn but he knows what he thinks and he has principles. Johnson is hampered by not being able to remember which lie he told last, so he will just do the usual content-free bluster.

There are still a lot of don't knows to be swung. I tend to think that the head to head debates are currently a win-win scenario for Jezza (unlikely to harm & could help his election chances) whereas they are a big risk for Johnson.

Eek red sounds rough! Hope you and yours are on the mend soon.

Glad you feel better red

Dominic Raab has deleted that early morning tweet .... I wonder why

Could there be something in this?

"I suspect the Shy Corbynite will be a factor. Ppl who know they're supposed to not like Corbyn but dont actually know why."

Was reading my youngest a bedtime story earlier.

Have read it a few times but have never noticed the last page before.

A message saying 'To the children of Europe'.

No matter what this govt does my children will always be children of europe even if they no longer have the all the benefits of it.

What did Raab tweet? I missed it.

Jez will likely win the debate tomorrow outright. He knows what he thinks. BoJo can't lay a finger on him, because he's arrogant, lazy, entitled, fuddled and imprecise.

Which is pretty much what I said earlier when I said I'd put my finger on the difference between BJ and Corbyn: one all bluster and the self belief that charisma will get him through, saying what he thinks people want to hear at that particular minute , not even realising when he's lying because he does it so frequently and the other calm and collected, on top of his facts to the extent of being boring and having to justify ad nauseum what he is proposing.

Hi

Work was bearable today. So much death recently. Today was ok.

I know we all live in our own bubble but I'm very surprised at the suggestion of low turnout. I've never known people so determined to vote. everyone I speak to. I know a lot of younger people at work. When I was young, most 20somethings I knew were pretty disinterested... young people seem SO much more politically engaged than they used to be. We just used to get drunk, kids of today seem to be out protesting !

I always voted but it was pretty depressing, I never liked any of them. I never voted for Blair, my first vote was after Iraq and I remember watching us bomb Iraqi kids... so sickened at my own country... not for me. In fact I said I would never vote for labour... Never would contemplate Tory, that was never me. So I and all my age group just did random protest votes I think. Not till 2015 did I have a party.Actually even 2015 was reluctant labour, but 2017 I joined the party. I feel this is pretty typical of my age group. I know, we all live in a bubble. I'm up north.

Is anyone actually polling younger people, I've been reading that they've been deliberately excluded from polls and assumed they will not be voting at the levels seen in 2017 (when in fact young voter registration so far this election is double what it was in 2017 and that's certainly what it feels like to me). I had so much more when I was young than someone who is 21 has now. They are really angry.

Alsohuman
Have look at the post by DGR at 12.24 today - and the amused comments that follow

Ds1 is 16.
He is gutted he can't vote.
He feels that he and his peers have been sold down the river in the last 2 elections by both the right wing idiots who now call themselves the tory party and older white tory voters like his grandparents :(
I hope enough of the over 18s are as angry and register and vote.

I have high hopes for Jez tomorrow because expectations will be low. He cares about the substance and it shows. He also acts with a bit of dignity and doesn't get personal. Johnson is pure bluster and this is going to wear thin with the electorate.
If Cendrillon wades in to disagree can we please ignore her. I try and look at these threads every day or two and sometimes only have time to read the last page as a catch up. It's so tiresome reading her comments and all the readily ignored rebuttals. She is sucking up the time of those who are otherwise much more informative. It's not helping so just ignore her.

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Thanks Lstening. Completely agree @WorriedMutha, irritating as the soundbites from Tory HQ are, hopefully if they’re ignored they’ll give up.

Truro & Fal Labour
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Tories - austerity is over.

LibDems - we are beyond austerity now.

Labour - it is appalling that 14 million people are living in poverty, that homelessness is rising & that the DWP adds to, rather than alleviates, people's suffering and we WILL address this.

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This isn't the Oxford Union, which is an independent body you have to pay to join.