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Westminstenders: The end of tribalism

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RedToothBrush · 09/11/2019 00:55

There are signs that traditional party alignment might well have broken.

The Tories have split, labour are pretending they have not.

The pattern so far seems to be closely following the EU. This favours a Tory majority.

A long way to go.

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tobee · 11/11/2019 19:30

Why the hell is Sam Gyimah standing against Emma Coad Dent in Kensington anyway?

tobee · 11/11/2019 19:31

God that's the seat Jay Aston is standing for Brexit Party.

Someone else can do the Making Your Mind Up gag coz you cba.

Oakenbeach · 11/11/2019 19:32

Why the hell is Sam Gyimah standing against Emma Coad Dent in Kensington anyway?

LDs are doing very well in such areas compared to 2017... It makes it a 3 way fight though that the Tories could win...

tobee · 11/11/2019 19:32

*Coz I cba.

Ffs I need to proof my posts better! Hmm

tobee · 11/11/2019 19:34

This is why I find the LibDems behaviour counter productive considering they are remain.

tobee · 11/11/2019 19:35

Fuckin pull yourselves together opposition parties. Im going to have a long wait.

Songsofexperience · 11/11/2019 19:37

This is why I find the LibDems behaviour counter productive considering they are remain.

Not surprising considering they've let this bloody election happen in the first place!

ClashCityRocker · 11/11/2019 19:38

Ah, the remain united site says no recommendation as most likely a tory safe seat.

That's the most honest (and, I fear, most accurate) assessment that I have come across so far on any of the tactical voting websites.

Oakenbeach · 11/11/2019 19:40

Not surprising considering they've let this bloody election happen in the first place!

In fairness, they had little choice... If they’d blocked it, BJ would have had no choice but to get his deal done, and he very likely had the votes in the Commons to achieve that.

Ellie56 · 11/11/2019 19:43

Yes I'm getting that message as well Clash. "No tactical voting recommendation as considered a safe seat"

The other two tactical voting sites are recommending to vote Labour as they were second last time. It's not going to make any difference though. The Conservative candidate got more votes than all the other parties put together last time. Sad

Oakenbeach · 11/11/2019 19:44

Ah, the remain united site says no recommendation as most likely a tory safe seat.

No, it recommends “Labour”... and it’s a Labour seat!

RedToothBrush · 11/11/2019 19:45

Mark Wallace @wallaceme
For those wondering if Brexit Party candidates might not stand in other seats, beyond those Farage withdrew from today, I gather they're all under strict instructions not to submit nomination papers until Wednesday (the deadline is Thursday). Might not mean anything but who knows

I believe there are Labour constituencies where the Brexit Party standing would help Labour and the LDs. It will be interesting to see if they don't stand in them.

It also looks suspiciously like the prospective Conservative Candidate for Hartlepool has ruled himself at the last minute. The Conservatives might be able to replace him but it would be cutting it fine. A certain Richard Tice was supposed to be the Brexit Party candidate there.

I think there will be last minute shenanigans... I think a pact HAS been agreed but the Conservatives know it would damage their 'one nation' branding which they have been pushing heavily so don't want to be seen as part of a formal pact for that reason.

Farage is looking to be king maker that that makes him potentially more of a risk than if he were PM. There is not accountability for him...

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RedToothBrush · 11/11/2019 19:47

James Clayton @jamesclayton5
EXCLUSIVE: Brexit Party spokesperson confirms ERG have been in talks with Brexit Party "at various levels" over recent days.

Says it was yesterday's Boris Johnson Twitter video that convinced Farage to stand down candidates

Spokesperson keen to stress these were talks rather than negotiations. Boris Johnson confirming no extension to transition period last night key. Farage wanted to hear from horse's mouth rather than second hand through ERGers

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RedToothBrush · 11/11/2019 19:48

Translation : the Brexit Party and ERG are still after No Deal via the back door...

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BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2019 19:56

Blimey, has BJ popped over to visit Ireland ? 😂😂

OK, hands up - it's nothing to do with the GE, but it is funny !
Bless Irish Rail for this:

Juliette Gash*@JulietteGash*

Hi @IrishRail
what happened the southbound train from Clontarf road at 9:20? No delay reported on app but sign says delayed?
Thanks

Irish Rail@IaranrodEireann Replying to @JulietteGash

Hi Juliette,

Apologies for the inconvenience.
There was a medical emergency onboard.

A passenger got his lip ring stuck in the foldable tray table whilst trying to tie his shoelaces.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2019 19:58

OK, Farage has got something in addition to a probable peerage offer:

Likely No Deal on 31 Dec 2020

thewomanontheshore · 11/11/2019 20:01

I thought it was a bit barmy for the CBI person on the radio to say they wanted BJ's deal, to provide certainty. Certainty my foot. Just another year of uncertainty leading up to a likely no deal.

OhLookHeKickedTheBall · 11/11/2019 20:03

Yes, they’d be painted as Labour stooges and risk losing votes in the seats they can win...
Labour have the same problem by entering a pact with the Lib Dems too - it could harm them in leave areas where they've been trying to keep their votes.
I suppose it doesn't stop any hushed up deals appearing but I'm not sure I'd trust any party to keep quiet on that front!

Volvemos · 11/11/2019 20:17

Meanwhile, in Spain:

Centre collapses, far right surges, traditional right gain ground, far left and traditional left stand ground. Inconclusive elections are the new normal.

Grand coalition ruled out as far right surges

Spain’s governing socialist party has ruled out a grand coalition with its arch-rivals, the conservative People’s party (PP), after a deadlocked election marked by a surge in support for the far-right Vox party.

After winning the country’s fourth general election in as many years but again failing to secure a majority, the Spanish Socialist Workers’ party (PSOE) also rejected any return to the polls, saying yet another election would be “an institutional failure”.

The PSOE won 120 seats on Sunday – three fewer than in the inconclusive election in April. Its leader, Pedro Sánchez, the acting prime minister, appealed for his opponents and rivals to “act generously and responsibly to unblock the political situation in Spain”.

The PP finished second with 88 and Vox came third, more than doubling its seat count from 24 to 52.

The anti-austerity Unidas Podemos came fourth with 35 seats, followed by the pro-independence Catalan Republican Left with 13 seats.

The centre-right Citizens party tumbled to sixth place, dropping from 57 seats to 10, which prompted the resignation of its leader, Albert Rivera.

As predicted in pre-election polls, Vox, which was founded by disgruntled PP members six years ago, vaulted into third place, buoyed by the collapse of the Citizens vote and by its aggressive opposition to Catalan independence.

Volvemos · 11/11/2019 20:21

My dream scenario for this election is:

No overall control.

Corbyn stands down as didn’t win a majority.

Starmer becomes leader.

6-18 months of trying to form coalition/stable “confidence and supply”. Whatever is cobbled together either doesn’t work (if it’s a Tory led mish-mash) or does work (if it’s a Lab-Lib-SNP mish-mash).

New election, Labour government.

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2019 20:40

After the GE, I expect Corbyn to stand down if the Tories have a working majority - he knows at 70 this GE is his last chance to become PM

I'd like Starmer as leader

MockersthefeMANist · 11/11/2019 20:40

In other news, Corbyn has predictably tweeted his support for the ousted crook in Bolivia who tried to rig the election after tearing up the constitution so he could run for President for Life, or possibly longer.

Going into an election defending ballot-rigging on a massive scale called out by all the international monitors. Not a good look.

(But maybe a glimpse of the forthcoming deputy leader poll?)

BigChocFrenzy · 11/11/2019 20:45

The country's hair is on fire

I care about stopping a Tory No Deal, about ending the cruelty of their UC forcing people onto foodbanks, the cruelty towards those applying for disability benefits

Corbyn's dim twitterings about S America etc would normally piss me off, but in a GE just don't rate on my give-a-fuck-o-meter

prettybird · 11/11/2019 20:46

Oops - better proof checking required in Jo Swinson's election literature - misspelling the name of her own constituencyHmm

Westminstenders: The end of tribalism
Westminstenders: The end of tribalism
lonelyplanetmum · 11/11/2019 20:53

** So just didn't check my phone again after mid afternoon s as nd this happened...

Nigel Farage MEP (BXP, South East England) has admitted he was offered a peerage by the Government, only 48 hours prior to his decision to withdraw candidates from Conservative-held seats.

Clearly a quiet deal has been struck. This is ok to the average Tory voter is it? Ends justify the means and all that? Apart from the peerage does any money change hands. If I were Aaron Banks I'd be pissed off unless he gets a cut?

So to the core one nation Tories all the following is ok- yes?

• Bribing Farage for his votes.
• Bungs to the DUP for their confidence and supply votes.
• shoving £1.6 Billion gov money at leave-voting towns in north with the stronger towns fund.
• Mpre gov money spent on ads in Labour-held marginals around the country displayed to users between 1.3 and 1.6 million times.

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