Westminstenders: The end of tribalism

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There are signs that traditional party alignment might well have broken.

The Tories have split, labour are pretending they have not.

The pattern so far seems to be closely following the EU. This favours a Tory majority.

A long way to go.

How's everyone feeling about BBC breakfast splicing in a Johnson at the cenotaph in 2016 and not using yesterdays performance?

Appalled and reported it to Ofcom, I hope you did too.

It's bad enough when one party doctors videos but for the national broadcaster, which we pay for and is always banging on about its impartiality, to do so is despicable.

I wonder if the person who did it was colourblind and didn't realise the two wreaths in question were actually different colours?

January 1st
Arise Sir Nigel

Note that whilst Farage has confirmed that BXP won’t stand in the 317 Conservative-won seats, he hasn’t said that they will stand in every non-Tory-won seat. I suspect that if the presence of BXP is likely to cost the Conservatives a gain from Labour, those candidates may either be quietly stood down or decide to catch some urgently-needed winter sun abroad over the next few weeks...

Have you seen the news?
Only labour seats will be targeted.
Wondering if this was caused by all the hype voting started by the Liberals.

I'm not really sure what to make of Farage's move today. In my super marginal seat, Warrington South, I think he's probably given Labour more of a chance. It's very Tory v Labour here, the LD's really only got a tiny share of the vote last time.

So does Farage think he's helping the Tories but actually he's helping Labour? I'd imagine the Tory vote will split here now between them & BXP and Labour will get in.

Just for clarity I'm a remainer, but can't bear Corbyn so really struggling with who to vote for...

Can't keep up with the thread yet again.

The only purpose of the BXP from my point of view was vote splitting. So it's disappointing they won't fight all seats- but are still fighting some- yes?

No one is mentioning Banks' funding. If that is all off - it may explain the decision. NF won't fund it himself from his savings will he.

At least the BBC should withdraw his invitation from the 7 party debate -but then if they do it would ironically be seen as an anti Faragist stitch up. (Unlike suppressing the Russian report and reusing armistice day pics, which are seen as legit.)

Just for clarity I'm a remainer, but can't bear Corbyn so really struggling with who to vote for...

So vote for your Labour MP then badger him (post election) to oust Corbyn!

January 1st
Arise Sir Nigel

Even if that is what has been promised - once the results are in on the 13th December there is absolutely no reason BJ will actually go ahead and fulfil this promise.

anyone doing any kind of deal with Boris - when he is proven time and again to be a liar - must be a congenital idiot.

But I still don't think this is a shady backroom deal - this is a failure being spun as a very one sided 'alliance'

Everything that tories / BXP do has pushed me back to remain.

I was all for a compromise. I was all for a sensible deal, until BJ through NO and Scotland under a bus.

Now he has NIGEL Farage as his wing man. Not a good look bJ.

If there are any moderate Torys left then I hope this disgusts them

If you are a traditional labour supporter, let's be clear. A vote for BXP is a vote for the Tory party.

The NHS is definitely at risk now. We all know BJ lies as easy as he breathes.

Let's hope the opposition parties manage to spin this and that MSM don't manage to manipulate people too much.

I should think Boris Johnson is raging.

He managed to avoid the trap of an alliance with the Brexit party and all the dirty baggage that goes with it.
Now Farage has aligned them, like it or not!

Aron Banks and Nigel Farage have all along wanted to destroy the Conservative party.
They've done pretty well so far.

Now he has NIGEL Farage as his wing man. Not a good look bJ.

Correction: he has Nigel Farage as his unpaid manservant. When even Farage is calling his alliance “unilateral”, you know he didn’t get a damn thing out of it. Chalk up another win for Boris - BXP has been humbled and brought to heel!

Thanks @lonelyplanetmum I know what I need to do, but I suspect that Corbyn is fairly immovable if they win. I will most likely hold my nose and vote...

Why do you not think that Farage won't take the labour leave vote, and let a Tory in?
As Tory's will vote Tory if the want to leave,. And Remainer Tory members will still vote Tory.
Surely that is his plan.

Our local marginal seat is almost 50/50 Tory/Labour. The other parties get very little support there. BXP hasn't said where they'll have candidates yet have they?

I imagine they won't in this 50/50 seat. But that is likely to benefit Labour as much as it could the Tories. It could help either party. I've campaigned there and I reckon it will be impossible to know until after the election.

Bloody hell. Just heard Farage speaking and he says the Brexit Party will not run any candidates in 317 Tory held seats. He's declaring a 'unilateral alliance' with the Tories, basically.

The Brexiteers here will be frothing, they were pinning their hopes on voting Brexit Party after failing to deselect our remainer Tory MP.

The Brexiteers here will be frothing, they were pinning their hopes on voting Brexit Party after failing to deselect our remainer Tory MP.

wasn't the whole brexit bollocks narrative about how "the parties have failed us" ? We are the insurgents and all that ?

From counterculture to establishment lackeys in two elections. Not bad.

I thought those 600 candidates - who were only presented to the world a couple of weeks ago -
had paid something for the privilege of working their way through the vetting & selection process

I don't suppose they get a refund
So that's their money down the toilet then ?

They aren't members - only Farage & T9ce seem to be - but they are subscribers

Of course, this is why Farage has BXP as his private company, without any voting members

He can do exactly as he wants with FarageCorp:
180 degree turns, attack the WA, support the WA, ditto wrt BJ .....

Unlike with UKIP where he had to work with others for whom he obviously felt contempt "people you'd never employ" and had to deal with inconvenient members' votes

Russian interference report squashed, FarageCorp onside, the BBC shamelessly helping too.....

Our best hope is that Trump "helps" some more !

www.theneweuropean.co.uk/top-stories/bbc-old-footage-cover-pm-s-wreath-blunder-production-mistake-1-6368809

BBC says use of old footage to 'cover' PM's wreath blunder was production mistake

The BBC has apologised after using old footage of Boris Johnson laying a wreath on Remembrance Sunday rather than the most recent footage of him laying one upside down.

Farage also mentioned something about Johnson wanting to negotiate a 'Canada plus' type of PD with the EU. What will that mean? Is that a more US-aligned type of deal?

Lewis Goodall@lewisgoodall

What Farage has done is be honest that he doesn’t get Brexit without the Tories.

The problem for the remain alliance is they haven’t accepted they won’t stop Brexit without Labour.

Brexit Party source tells me Farage has done this to “make sure the Conservatives are the largest party in a hung parliament. Kills remain alliance in the south. Knocks any second referendum stone dead.”

Maybe.
But that isn’t the Tory ambition.

The Labour critique of Farage which has never properly stuck, that he’s just a Tory, a wolf in sheep’s clothing, could well stick now.

those candidates may either be quietly stood down or decide to catch some urgently-needed winter sun abroad over the next few weeks...

Can candidates be removed from ballot papers once the nomination deadline has passed?

If Farage stands candidates, then surely their names will appear on the ballot paper and split the vote regardless of whether they campaign or not.

For Farage to have them removed from ballot papers, I think they would have to die during the campaign period (triggering a rerun).

Canada Plus is a very minimal trade deal, which would leave significant Non-Tariff barriers to the EU SM
Our JIT mass manufacturing would suffer

That kind of deal would be a very hard Brexit, because the UK economy and exports are so different to Canada's
e.g. raw material vs services

and of course geograhy means that the EU is 45% of our foreign trade, but a small % of Canada's, so Canada is OK with that sort of deal,
but it would be totally inadequate for the UK

I don't even know what Canada plus is.

A Canada trade deal is a fairly standard FTA suitable for a distant country which exports mainly raw materials to Europe.

Misti The deadline for nominations is 4pm Thursday, so he has time to withdraw the names
And the power, since he runs FarageCorp and the candidates aren't members

https://www.electoralcommission.org.uk/sites/default/files/2019-10/UKPGE-Election-timetable-%2012%20December_4.doc