Westminstenders: The end of tribalism

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There are signs that traditional party alignment might well have broken.

The Tories have split, labour are pretending they have not.

The pattern so far seems to be closely following the EU. This favours a Tory majority.

A long way to go.

Like in 2017 I think they are so convinced theyre going to win (I obviously hope not) that theyre trying to beef up the scary Corbyn narrative and because they havent been particularly fact checked since 2010 theyre spin seems to fall apart quickly (Im aware my bias makes it seem more profound lol)

*their

It does recall that marvellous article after the 2017 election:

"And they said unto the young people, Do you not remember the 1970s? And the young people said unto them, No, we don't."

I don’t think they’re convinced they’re going to win at all. Johnson wouldn’t be doing secret deals with Farage if they thought it was a sure thing. Of course I’m relying on the veracity of The Fail to make that argument fly.

Farage is screwed. To give them due respect, the Tories appear to have seen off UKIP and will see off Farage in due course.

OTOH I think trad Labour constituencies are hard for the Tories to win without the BXP to split the vote. But with current polling suggesting a solid majority maybe that's not a problem any more.

They'll probably despatch Farage to the Lords to shut him up.

I think Farage wants to avoid owning it, whatever it is. He's happy to do a deal with BJ he can then accuse BJ of breaking.

Half the country would see their vote “betrayed”.

Quite frankly, I think not. Wasn't Mark Francois saying that the country would explode if we didn't leave on 31st October? If there was an explosion, I missed it.

The LibDems have always been pro EU; I don't think they have ever claimed to be One-Nation. That used to be a Tory stance, but Johnson has kicked out the One-nationers, even though he's trying to use it for his election.

Jo Swinson Claims Labour And Tory MPs Want Her To Be Prime Minister
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Russell Howard
@russellhoward
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Nov 8
If James Cleverly is happy for the Tories to doctor footage, surely he won't have a problem with this? #TheRussellHowardHour

twitter.com/i/status/1192894561628180480

I agree with you Oakenbeach on the revoke policy. Caroline Lucas also agrees, video doing the rounds on Twitter saying Lib Dems are putting party interest before national interest and giving a message that they 'don't give a fuck' about half the country.

Quite frankly, I think not. Wasn't Mark Francois saying that the country would explode if we didn't leave on 31st October? If there was an explosion, I missed it

I think the power of the 17million has been frittered away by three years of pissing about. I commented previously that one phrase that seems to have faded away has been "respect the referendum".

I'm sure there's a cynical scene from a drama somewhere, where a politician is advised to take a course of action, and worries "But won't voters be angry ?" to be soothed by the perfectly placed observation from an aide "Well voters are always angry about something anyway ..."

I think all parties - certainly Labour and Tories - are quite keen not to mention the 17million, as it pretty much excludes the 16million they still need to win anything.

Regarding The Brexit Company not standing ... at what point would it affect their shot at national coverage, and what do the candidates think about it ? (Not that they have any choice ...).

A "better" approach would be to still stand 600+ candidates, and then just not back the ones you have no intention of drawing votes in certain Tory seats.

Is everyone still having fun ?

Standing in 600 seats would only cost Farage/Arron Banks £300,000 which would be small change for them, so why not do it?

It won't cost them that much at all as they'll expect their franchisees candidates to stump up the cash for the "privilege" Fantastic business model if you can get away with it: promote your business on the back of "customers'" own investment

It won't cost them that much at all as they'll expect their franchisees candidates to stump up the cash for the "privilege" wink Fantastic business model if you can get away with it: promote your business on the back of "customers'" own investment

Politics as MLM eh ?

Wasn't there a hint that some "candidates" (customers, really) were a bit disgruntled already ? How would a Brexit Company candidate feel, having stumped up (to them) an MPs ransom, only to have zero backing from Brexit Central ?

Jo Swinson is coming across a little bit too "Me, Me, Me". And we are only 3 days in ...

Gina Miller's tactical voting website:

www.remainunited.org/

Half the country would see their vote “betrayed”

In broad terms, half the country will see their vote ‘betrayed’ either way.

Leave betrays the Remain half and Remain betrays Leave.

I'm not brave enough to cope with AIBU - but the website needs to be out there.

May have to get drunk or something and post it tonight ...

Safe tory seat here
No recommendation for me:(

Here we go, Remembrance Sunday, and what will it be this year?

• Corbyn wearing the wrong sort of poppy.
• Corbyn wearing the right sort of poppy but at a disrespectful angle
• Corbyn not bowing enough
• Corbyn bowing too much

And interesting this year in that there are no MPs and offically no leader of the opposition. ....Aaaaah!

• Corbyn gatecrashes ceremony on false pretenses. Yes, that'll do.

Cllr Jim Ellis (Newbold & Brownsover)
@JimEllisUk
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20h
Disappointed to be physically assaulted today in #rugby while quietly and politely campaigning for the election. A fist to the face (didn't impact) and being screamed at for being a 'jew hater' . Disturbing climate

Lib Dems are putting party interest before national interest and giving a message that they 'don't give a fuck' about half the country.

On the contrary, while there is much I dislike about them they are the only party putting national interest first on Brexit.

The Tories have calcified into the ERG position hard Brexit/No Deal neither of which are remotely in the countries interest; while Labour is putting party interest first by trying to retain support by sitting on the fence with totally unconstructive ambiguity.

Standing in 600 seats would only cost Farage/Arron Banks £300,000 which would be small change for them, so why not do it?

It won't cost Farage and Banks anything

1. because they can get candidates to stump up the cash.
2. they will get 5% vote in every seat so the £500 will be refunded.

In 2017 my LD friend stumped up most of the £500 personally to stand as the fee for standing is funded by constituency funds and it being an area with few supporters there wasn't enough money in the kitty if they didn't put the money in themselves. The financial support from HQ was minimal to say the least.

Of course they didn't get the money back (and didn't expect to when they put the money for the deposit down) because they failed to get the necessary 5% of the vote.

They never had a hope of winning the seat and knew that when they stood but thought it important to anyway on principle.

The financial commitment of standing as a candidate troubles me deeply.

There are other reasons why the financial arrangements of elections and being an mp in this country concern me and tend to aid the issue of getting MPs who aren't particularly representative and aren't necessarily the best people for the job.

It's a big and complex subject which I'm not keen to get into, but I do think there is a massive problem which contributes to our wider political issues

Commiserations Hooo. Safe ERG Tory seat here too.