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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 11:03

Ah, so it's just one persons opinion ... not quite as persuasive now then ...

As if you would find any number of people’s opinion persuasive... you know most of the Parliamentary Labour Party has voted No Confidence in Corbyn? They’ve been telling you he’s not fit to lead Labour, let alone the country, for years now...

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 11:03

Has that led him to defend Putin when his agents poisoned our people, like when Corbyn suggesting sending a sample off to Putin for him to test?

We can sling mud all day, if you like. The closest way to cosy up to Putin is to get really close to Trump, by the way. Trump Travel can arrange your trip to Moscow and organise all the entertainment.

placemats · 07/11/2019 11:03

Conrad's view on Ched Evans. Bear in mind this was a live discussion. He is despicable.

twitter.com/MattTurner4L/status/1191698102014676992/photo/1

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 11:04

We can sling mud all day, if you like.

I’ll take that as the closest you’ll ever come to saying “Point taken”!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 11:05

Michael Rosen
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In the descriptions of the Labour Party as antisemitic please can no one mention that some of the Labour candidates are Jewish. No one mention that please.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 11:10

As if you would find any number of people’s opinion persuasive... you know most of the Parliamentary Labour Party has voted No Confidence in Corbyn? They’ve been telling you he’s not fit to lead Labour, let alone the country, for years now

shrug

I am but one man, with one vote. And in the absence of my current Labour MP being caught eating babies and throwing the bones out of the window, I'm happy enough in their work these past 2 years in representing Edgbastons interests as best they can in Westminster.

At the end of the day, to quote Woody Allen You can't have everything. After all where would you put it ?

(Although in the case of people like Boris who appear to have it all, there is a temptation to try and find somewhere ....)

I'm not a Labour member, or particularly a supporter. There's plenty of batshittery I could probably find in their ranks. But right here, right now I lack the special glasses that clearly hide the homeless, the hungry, the ill and the vulnerable from some people. I must have missed the copy of The Sun or Mail they were given away with.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 11:11

Get Brexit Done advert but with the Hulk ending music, I love the internet

twitter.com/i/status/1192390092666609665

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 11:11

In the descriptions of the Labour Party as antisemitic please can no one mention that some of the Labour candidates are Jewish. No one mention that please.

For the hard of thinking semitic != Jewish ....

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 11:14

The idea that Jewish people must not vote for the Labour Party is as abhorrent as the idea that Muslims should not vote Tory.

Jewish and Muslim voters are adults who have the right to decide which imperfect and somewhat racist party they will vote for.

placemats · 07/11/2019 11:14

The Russian Mountain.

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 11:15

Cendrillion you probably need to tell CCHQ to up their game, 2nd election on the 'Im not Corbyn' narrative isnt playing as well as you hoped, even with the BBC being complicit

JustAnotherPoster00 · 07/11/2019 11:18

placemats Shock

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 11:18

Does Tory Islamophobia matter at all ?

from the final paragraph below, apparently not - because few Muslims vote Tory.

Several Muslim Conservative politicians & members have tried to get the party to address its Islamophobia problem:

Sajid Javid, Chancellor of the Exchequer

During the Tory leadership election, called for an enquiry into Islamophobia within the Tory Party.
BJ - and the other contenders - agreed

Now BJ is leader, that's another promise that disappeared

Baroness Warsi, former Conservative Party co-chair:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SayeedaWarsi,,BaronessWarsi#Resignation

In May 2018, Warsi, who had been raising the issue of Islamophobia within the party for more than two years,
stated that
Prime Minister Theresa May should publicly acknowledge that Islamophobia is a problem in the Conservative Party and that the party was in denial about the problem.

In a statement she said:
"Up to now, sadly, there are certain parts of the party that have been in denial about this issue."[69][70]

She told Business Insiderr^:
"It's very widespread. It exists right from the grassroots, all the way up to the top"

and claimed Conservative leaders are not taking the problem seriously because

"they don't think it is going to damage them because that community doesn't vote for them in any great numbers."
[71][72]

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 11:19

you probably need to tell CCHQ to up their game, 2nd election on the 'Im not Corbyn' narrative isnt playing as well as you hoped, even with the BBC being complicit

Let’s see how well the crazy old Marxist does on election night, shall we? Still think he’ll be Prime Minister? I don’t and I’ll be on here either way - to sulk if I’m wrong, and to be utterly insufferable if I’m right. Smile

TheElementsSong · 07/11/2019 11:19

In the end, the Tory electoral machine seems to have nothing to fall back on apart from "Corbyn!!!!!!!!!" Grin

As I've said many times before (and clashed with 00 occasionally IIRC) I think Magic Grandad is at best a fence-sitting inert courgette. But me personally, I'm not going to be scared off from voting Labour (if I do) because Corbzzzzzz Hmm

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 11:20

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/michael-gove-twitter-antisemitic-jewish-labour-member-corbyn-momentum-a9184601.html

Warsi .......
"Michael's on a mission to fight antisemitism - noble cause.

"But you can’t feed one form of racism and profess to fight another
because that’s not challenging bigotry, it’s playing politics

"And both British Jews and British Muslims deserve better than this divisive approach."

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 11:22

It's actually pretty racist to assume that Jewish (and Muslim) voters vote/should vote as a block and that they all share the same opinions and have the same priorities.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 11:25

Warsi is spot-on here.

We should want both parties not to be racist. But telling Labour-voting Jews and Tory-voting Muslims how they should vote is perilously close to a "collaborators" narrative.

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 11:25

Cendrillon Your posts would be rinse and repeat for whoever is Labour leader.

After Corbyn retires, the new Labour leader - Starmer, Benn, Phillips... - you'll demonise them,
just editing the leader's name in your posts

The Tory party is the party of low tax for the rich and low benefits for the poor, so they'll always be your choice

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 11:28

In rl, voters aren't blocks and should never be taken for granted.

Individual Muslims and Jews could prioritise voting against racism, or prioritise voting for the party with the best overall policy fit, or do something completely different.

CendrillonSings · 07/11/2019 11:31

Your posts would be rinse and repeat for whoever is Labour leader.

Not true - I wouldn’t give a shit if Labour were led by a Tony Blair or an Yvette Cooper or a David Miliband. They’d tax me a bit more, but they wouldn’t try to remodel our whole system along a dirigiste socialist line. That’s why the Tories had no chance against Blair - he might even have won in 2010!

But as it stands, the whole root-and-branch of Labour is corrupted by the far left. As we did in the 80s, the Tories need to perform the national service of rubbing Labour’s face in electoral defeat until they come to their senses.

DGRossetti · 07/11/2019 11:33

It's actually pretty racist to assume that Jewish (and Muslim) voters vote/should vote as a block and that they all share the same opinions and have the same priorities.

I spent the 1970s and 80s growing up trying to see everyone as equal and human. It seemed to be the way decent people thought.

Fast forward 40 years, and it seems that far from us all being human and equal, everyone is actually different and needs to be treated uniquely.

Not quite sure what's happening at times.

Dusty01 · 07/11/2019 11:41

"Watson has done done Johnson NO favours here"

Why FadingStar?

BigChocFrenzy · 07/11/2019 11:42

So you want the Labour leader to be from the Labour right, just as I want the Tory leader to be from the Tory left

After Blair won in 1997, the Tories went through a phase of rightwing leaders, got beaten again and eventually chose a supposedly liberal Tory leader who hugged huskies and went into a coalition with the LDems

  • then when elected with a majority gave in to the hard right on an irresponsible referendum and screwed the country that way.

Unfortunately, both main parties have gone to the extremes
AND lost their competence at doing their jobs

We really need someone to rub both their noses in it until they see sense...

but the LDems have gone cuckoo, so I don't see who can do this

  • maybe the cold hard reality of a No Deal Brexit after transition ends, but equally likely that angry voters would demand even worse extremes
HesterThrale · 07/11/2019 11:53

Unite to Remain (Plaid, Greens, LD) have announced which 60 seats they’re targeting and mutually agreeing to stand down on. This should be a move which gives the Greens a chance of more seats.
Interesting list: Alun Cairns seat is in there, Norman Lamb’s and Heidi Allen’s.

So the tactical voting sites will need to update their advice as some parties are not standing in certain seats.

I hope it’d result in a batch of non-extreme MPs.

List here:
www.libdems.org.uk/unite-to-remain?utm_campaign=unite_to_remain&utm_medium=email&utm_source=libdems