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Westminstenders: Dissolved.

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RedToothBrush · 06/11/2019 19:44

Parliament has formally been dissolved. We are now officially in an election period including purdah and spending limits. Not that all the parties haven't got campaign material out already to bypass the rules, making the rules a complete farce. And the government has made some very dodgy adverts about the fund for towns, 90% of which just happen to be marginals.

The Tory Campaign has got off to an interesting start with a dead cat dog whistle against Grenfell where many well educated people lived (Inc an architect), privately owned their property and just happened to be white. And fast asleep. I'm not sure about you but I don't tend to have huge amounts of 'common sense' when I'm snoring.

Apologies have of course been made. In true Trumpian / Bannon style. But the whistle was blown and made its desired point to its target audience. Expect many more examples before we get to the end of this campaign.

Of course the same day it was made public that the government have blocked the publication of a report into Russian Electoral Interference. Which is in no way connected to the massive amount of donations the Tory Party has been receiving lately and who Boris Johnson hangs out with.

This election is all about breaking 'The Red Wall' and the Tories taking Northern seats. So everyone between Birmingham and Cumbria is going to be particularly fed up by 12th December at people from London coming out with ridiculous stereotypes, and telling them how to vote. We await Corbyn and Johnson adopting flat caps and vowels whilst drinking a pint of bitter or mild.

As usual we've had the candidate selection process throw up a few curve balls including forcing cabinet minister Alun Cairns to resign as Welsh Secretary on the day the tories launch their campaign. Its become very clear from the list of Tory MPs who aren't standing that the party has officially split and 'one nation conservatism' is merely now a slogan Johnson throws around to pretend that the hard right of the party hasn't slung out or forced out all the moderates. On the Labour side we have the usual rows at factions in local parties fighting or being really upset at a London candidate being parachuted in.

Farage isn't standing but the Brexit Party apparently is, despite calls for an electoral pact with the Tories. Whether local parties get the memo from Leave.eu and CCHQ we will find out in time. The LDs, Greens and Plaid seem to be consolidating a Remain pact in some seats but this still splits the vote with Labour which will be a problem in some areas.

Johnson is apparently standing in Uxbridge. This does leave us with the possibility he could yet lose his seat. Swinson's seat is also far from a safe one. Corbyn will likely be safe but Islington did back the LDs as the 1st Party at the Euros with the assistance of some very pissed off Labour members.

Nothing is certain about the next 6 weeks apart from the fact it will throw up some shocks and leave us all shouting at the telly at some point.

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ListeningQuietly · 07/11/2019 17:40

Feels greatly relieved that my local LD candidate is a wazzock who I can safely ignore and my local Labour MP is a pro EU decent bloke.
Tory candidate is an utter tosser but sadly he'll never knock on my door for me to tell them so

Random18 · 07/11/2019 17:44

The most important thing just now is Brexit.........

My vote will be for nothing else but that.

Hard Left - I'll vote for them this time and hopefully we either remain or have a very soft Brexit.

Women's rights- I don't agree with the LD's stance but that's an argument for another day.

Tory party - they are going to fuck up the lives of my children.

They are my priority - my girl and boy.

So whether I agree or not with Labour (they look like the closest challengers in my constituency) I will vote for them because all of the other issues are not important to me at this time. The futures of my children are.

Hoooo · 07/11/2019 17:44

I hear bridgen wss out and about around here yesterday....

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 17:46

I know two LD candidates well (including my local candidate). I know one is GC and am fairly sure my local one is too.

Neither is speaking out against the bollocks.

It's almost worse than being full on woke. They know it's harmful but stay silent.

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Mistigri · 07/11/2019 17:46

Thus you can not defend women's sport, you can not defend women in a prison with rapists

These are very important issues but with all due respect the idea that they are as significant overall as women's issues such as maternity pay, abortion and the gender pay gap is just really blinkered.

Most women in prison shouldn't be in prison in the first place. The rapey blokes thing is important but maybe we could focus on social and criminal justice policies that keep vulnerable women out of prison in the first place. (And no all the parties are not equal on this score!)

ListeningQuietly · 07/11/2019 17:49

RedToothBrush
My Labour MP does not call out his leaders Brexit bollocks
because he'd get deselected if he did.

Without the party name and the party machine its nigh on impossible to get elected to the HoC.

Quietly remind your LD friends that you are watching them closely
and then
do what is necessary to stop Brexit
then fight the Gender fight.

nothingwittyhere · 07/11/2019 17:52

I agree with Mistigirl (again). There is a lot of noise around these topics but I'm not sure that much is actually happening IRL beyond some well-publicised incidents, because common sense does tend to be followed in the 97+% of cases that aren't making headlines.
Brexit-avoidance trumps all for me. I will hold my nose as necessary in the booth in that short-term cause.

FadingStar · 07/11/2019 17:56

Yes, Brexit is the most immediate concern. I would just hate for the LibDems to think that people agree with their treatment of women by voting for them over Brexit. Any kind of encouragement and Heaven knows what other horrors they will unleash on women.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 17:58

It's a very middle class issue IME.

The Karen White case was horrible but for the most vulnerable women - disabled women, care-leavers, victims of domestic violence and modern slavery - there are far more important issues: universal credit, legal aid, women's healthcare, the hostile environment etc.

If vulnerable women at risk in prison is a high priority issue for you, then inspect the parties' manifestos on criminal justice and vote accordingly. The idea that they are all as bad as each other is just privilege talking.

TheMShip · 07/11/2019 17:58

1993 - Equality between men and women in higher education enrolment reached
1993 - Maternity leave available for all women
1994 - Rape in marriage is made a crime
1990 - Independent taxation for women
2003 - Dads get 2 weeks paid paternity leave
2004 - Common assault is an arrestable offence (Domestic Violence, Crime and Victims Act)
2010 - Additional parental leave introduced
2014 - Shared parental leave introduced
2015 - Coercive control becomes a criminal offence

Women's rights are not worse than they were 30 years ago unless you feel like marital rape was a good thing. Give me a fucking break.

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 17:59

If sex is replaced by gender, what happens to how you define the the gender pay gap when it includes men?

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TheMShip · 07/11/2019 18:02

It's going to shift by such a miniscule amount, Red that it won't be statistically significant. GC feminism has a lot of good points, but the scaremongering is ridiculous. There simply are not that many trans women out there.

prettybird · 07/11/2019 18:03

No but they are very noisy and very good at shutting down debate Sad

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 18:04

Invisible domestic abuse. Still domestic abuse. Just you can't see it.

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DustyDiamond · 07/11/2019 18:04

Red, have you had a look at the SDP?

They're a party I'd consider for a future GE (my priority is Brexit at the mo, so will be voting on that basis)
They seem at a glance to have a good balance of left & right policies
Not sure their specific stance on self-ID, but they're against identity politics

sdp.org.uk/

TheMShip · 07/11/2019 18:05

Sure they're noisy, but my point is that there is not some massive army of thousands of predatory men who are going to suddenly say they're women.

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 18:05

There simply are not that many trans women out there.

How can you tell the difference between some who is trans and some one who isn't but just says they are?

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TheMShip · 07/11/2019 18:07

How did we get onto invisible domestic abuse? What's that got to do with trans issues?

RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 18:09

Also 'it's not a problem because I'm not affected by it' isn't a very good defence for saying its not an issue.

But y'know.

Follow it through to its end point, if there is no checks and balances.

That's the problem.

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RedToothBrush · 07/11/2019 18:09

Read up on the trans widows and get back to me.

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TheMShip · 07/11/2019 18:11

You can't, of course. I'm not fucking stupid. I accept that there will be a number of men who do this. But I also know that trans people of either gender are statistically incredibly vulnerable and at some point this becomes a numbers game for society. Trans people are as valuable as women.

Mistigri · 07/11/2019 18:12

look at the SDP?

The SDP that Patrick O'Flynn and Rod Liddle are members of?

That is literally hilarious.

TheMShip · 07/11/2019 18:12

I've read about the trans widows, thanks. They're heartbreaking stories. But there are not many people directly affected by this issue. Millions will suffer in a no deal or hard Brexit. Your hair is on fire.

FadingStar · 07/11/2019 18:13

My priority is women and girls and I make no apologies for it. The trans issue is affecting a lot of women and girls and that males it my issue too, whether or not I am personally touched by it.

FadingStar · 07/11/2019 18:13

Makes, not males.