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Brexits Arms - To GE or Not to GE that is the question?

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time4chocolate · 26/10/2019 17:26

Will the man from del monte say yes on Monday or will he leave a lot us doing this.....again

Brexits Arms - To GE or Not to GE that is the question?

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DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 20:09

So are you suggesting rights = a bad thing Dusty ?

I'm saying that Labour have latched onto it as a convenient blocking point

It should be up to Parliament to decide our laws (including rights etc) - not a supra-national body

This current Parliament has already proven on several occasions that it can seize control of the order paper & pass legislation in record time

If it was a truly serious concern of Labour et al that the various rights & protections were always above EU minimum levels then they could simply introduce a one line bill to this effect

There is literally no need to reopen the WAB or for Labour et al to keep banging on about doing so - they have the means & opportunity to enact a change yet they are choosing not to

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 20:15

The EU will be more than happy to see the stuff that moved from legislative to PD, moved back to legislative, so hardly a blocking tactic.

It is completely & entirely a blocking tactic!!

Yes, the EU would agree to it

But! This means the WAB would be amended to say they should form part of legal aspect, it would then need to go back to EU to approve, then back to Parliament again for yet more 'debate' and the opportunity for anti-Brexit lot to dick around yet again

It's a delaying/blocking tactic.
Nothing more.

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 20:21

So are you suggesting rights = a bad thing Dusty ?

I'm struggling to figure out where on earth I intimated such a thing tbh

Can you point me to where I've implied this?

frumpety · 27/10/2019 20:37

But I thought we were getting an extension until the end of January anyway, so no blocking would be needed , well unless we have an election which is also a blocking tactic of sorts ?

frumpety · 27/10/2019 20:41

Dusty I had reached a critical mass point with my Yorkshires and had done a quick post as a result , I was just asking a question

Parker231 · 27/10/2019 20:41

There will still need to be blocking and amendments to improve the crap Boris deal before it goes through. Let’s at least have a half way decent starting point before we have to work through the years of work to get trade deals and NI border documentation sorted out.

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 20:42

the extension is not going to stop the anti-Brexit lot in Parliament trying to block Brexit

Given the chance they'll waste all of the time so we are no further forward by the end of it

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 20:43

crap Boris deal

It's a decent deal

frumpety · 27/10/2019 20:45

Regardless of what happens though Dusty we are all agreed we need to move forwards, if that means securing workers rights and still brexiting then we are at least heading in your preferred direction ?

frumpety · 27/10/2019 20:47

It isn't a deal, its a withdrawl agreement, the deals come in the next few years

Parker231 · 27/10/2019 20:49

Boris’s “deal” is worse than May and worse than we enjoy now. Everything is still worth fighting for.

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 20:58

It isn't a deal, its a withdrawl agreement

I know that - it's just easier to say deal

if that means securing workers rights and still brexiting then we are at least heading in your preferred direction ?

My preferred direction is passing this WAB with only necessary, technical amendments

Workers rights & other rights/protections are currently above the EU minimum so there is no drama other than confected

If parliament are serious about enshrining in law that UK must always be above the EU minimum then they have the means & opportunity to do this whenever they want - this week, next week, next year, whenever...

Boris’s “deal” is worse than May and worse than we enjoy now.

For Brexit supporters it is better than being in the EU, and it's better than May's deal

For all the reasons that have been given ad nauseum by leavers on various threads

yellowallpaper · 27/10/2019 20:59

I just want to crawl in a hole, and come out when it's over. I want to say give them a second referendum on this deal or remain. Don't give a monkey who wins just stop the torture.

yellowallpaper · 27/10/2019 21:01

Had to laugh this morning when a man on the telly said the single market was Margaret Thatchers idea!

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 21:03

That's been the master plan of the anti-Brexit crew all along Yellow 😂

Keep stalling & dithering & fannying around until everyone would prefer to drill their own eyeballs out than hear any more about it 😂

frumpety · 27/10/2019 21:04

Workers rights & other rights/protections are currently above the EU minimum so there is no drama other than confected

So no reason to object to changing them back to the legislative from the PD ? Keeps them all nice and tidy back where they belong

frumpety · 27/10/2019 21:05

Nobody in Parliament is going to object to protecting workers rights and the EU aren't so it should be easy

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 21:09

So no reason to object to changing them back to the legislative from the PD ? Keeps them all nice and tidy back where they belong

But why the obsession with getting them in the WA?!

That's my whole point!

Pass legislation in Parliament to this end - there is no need for it to be in the WA

They have the means & opportunity to do this

Walkingdeadfangirl · 27/10/2019 21:10

I do think our Parliament should make our own laws ... The PD is a gentleman's agreement and there aren't currently enough of them in Parliament to be trusted to honour it. So we move it back and then enshrine it in UK law...

frumpety, so you are saying you dont want MPs elected by the UKs voters passing laws. You would prefer the EU to enshrine our laws in an international treaty. Which means you have no interest in the UK being sovereign or democratic.

Exactly one reason why so many people want to leave the EU.

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 21:10

They are only banging on about it having to go in the WA because it is a delaying tactic, nothing more

yellowallpaper · 27/10/2019 21:16

dusty I drilled out my eyeballs a long time ago. This is in Braille

frumpety · 27/10/2019 21:17

They were in the previous WA , a legal text , that's where I would prefer they were , they are currently in the PD which is a essentially a gentleman's agreement. I do not trust the current incumbents not to mess this up for the general population. You clearly have more faith in them than I do ?

frumpety · 27/10/2019 21:21

No Fangirl I would prefer that Parliament enshrines in law the workers rights that we have enjoyed up until now as members of the EU, because they work for the UK population. They can be UK law once we Brexit, which is what you all want surely ?

DustyDiamond · 27/10/2019 21:23

dusty I drilled out my eyeballs a long time ago. This is in Braille

😂😂😂😂😂

frumpety · 27/10/2019 21:24

Its not going to take until the end of January to move some stuff that was in one place, back to that place though is it ? Because the EU agreed to it being in the WA in the first place. Unless there are those in Parliament who don't think workers having rights is a good thing ? I suppose they might have a bash at causing dithering and delaying if that is the case ?

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