Brexits Arms - To GE or Not to GE that is the question?

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Will the man from del monte say yes on Monday or will he leave a lot us doing this.....again

They can make it UK law this week if they wanted Frumpety

They've taken control of the order paper before & passed legislation in a few days they can do it again 🤷🏻‍♀️

They are choosing to cling onto manufactured outrage because it's convenient for them to do so

Anyhow my bedtime , don't agree, but still luffs you all

By putting it into the WA it is conceding control to a supranational body by way of an international treaty as Walking said a few posts back

This is the antithesis of sovereignty & taking back control

There is literally nothing to stop Parliament enshrining EU minimums as a base level, in UK law
(At the moment our law has higher standards than the EU minimum in these areas)

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No Fangirl I would prefer that Parliament enshrines in law the workers rights
I get that, you want this parliament to bind all future parliaments. That is not democracy.

I am trying to understand the difference between the Boris GE and the LibDem GE.

Length of the extension is in the hands of the EU.
Date of both GEs is specified (3 days difference).
The only difference I can see is that Boris wants to keep debating the deal for another week (which will be futile). The LibDems want to ban any debate of the deal.

I mean politics and rhetoric aside. There is NO practical difference between the two, is there?

After Brexit, it will be a race to be bottom with regards to workers' rights.

Only a fool would believe otherwise.

GrouchoMrx, which party is promising a race to the bottom? And why would a majority of the UK vote for that?

And if for some strange reason they did then that would be democracy aka what we want.

Jacob Rees-Mogg said regulations that were “good enough for India” could be good enough for the UK – arguing that the UK could go “a very long way” to rolling back high EU standards.

What party is Jacob Rees-Mogg in again?

Jacob Rees-Mogg isn't PM in a majority government. If you dont like his politics dont vote for his party.

FYI: I am pretty sure you can dreg up quotes from all seasoned politicians that will fit your narrative.

Have you read what a prominent antisemitic terrorist supporter has said?

After years of watering down and blocking workers’ rights, only a fool would trust Conservatives to guard them as we leave the EU.

Priti Patel said:

“If we could just halve the EU social and employment legislation we could deliver a £4.3bn boost to the economy.”

When he was an MEP in 2012, Lord Callanan, now minister in the Department for Exiting the EU, told the European Parliament that the best way to deliver growth would be to scrap many of the hard-earned rights British workers currently enjoy, stating that the EU should

“ scrap the working time directive, the agency workers’ directive, the pregnant workers’ directive and all the other barriers to actually employing people ”.

GrouchoMrx
What point are you trying to make? That Corbyn would tax us to death? Turn us into Venezuelan?

Brexit negotiators removed 'adequate' from worker rights plan

www.bbc.com/news/business-50199309

An internal UK government memo on the consequences of Boris Johnson's Brexit deal renegotiation singles out the removal of the word "adequate" from the UK-EU Political Declaration to describe mechanisms for enforcing common social, environmental, and labour standards after Brexit.

The word "adequate" appears to have been replaced by the word "appropriate".

Extracts of a note written for the government's cross-Whitehall Economic Partnership Steering Group, and seen by the BBC, say the "parties will include "appropriate" (rather than "adequate") mechanisms for dispute settlement" of key "level playing field commitments" in a future trade deal with the European Union.

The consequence of that change, the note says, is that it means that it is now possible to argue it is "inappropriate for the future UK-EU relationship" that disputes about these commitments on employment, environment, tax, state aid and other standards should be subject to binding arbitration.

Level playing field
The memo, first leaked to the Financial Times and marked "Official Sensitive", contains a series of claimed negotiation wins from the Brexit deal renegotiation, weakening the scope and strength of Level Playing Field Commitments (LPF), a crucial element in a future UK-EU trade arrangement.

What does the Brexit deal say about workers' rights?
"The previous Protocol applied wide-ranging LPF measures on a UK-wide bases as a response to UK access to the EU market through the single customs territory.

"UK negotiators successfully resisted the inclusion of all UK-wide LPF rules" says the memo, with the last four words put in bold for emphasis.

"The only level playing field provisions in the revised Protocol are those necessary to support the operation of the Single Electricity Market and state aid measures that affect trade between NI and the EU," it says.

The title of the memo is "Update to EPSG (Economic Partnership Steering Group) on Level Playing Field Negotiations".

Tories plan to scrap EU rules on work hours and paid holidays

Paid holidays and a cap of 48 hours to the working week are both under threat as part of talks for leaving the EU.

It's understood there is widespread support for scrapping the Working Time Directive, which caps the number of hours an employee can be expected to work.

According to The Sun on Sunday, Cabinet met today to discuss the proposals as they decide Britain's demands in the next phase of trade talks.

Brexit backing ministers are said to be strongly in favour of scrapping the directive, which was adopted by the UK in 2003.

inews.co.uk/news/politics/tories-plan-scrap-eu-rules-work-hours-paid-holidays-516171

GrouchoMrx Are you just a cut and paste remainer?

Walkingdeadfangirl, you have repeatedly asked the point I'm making.

The point I'm making is that only a FOOL would trust the Tories on workers' rights.

Only a knave would argue otherwise.

The point I'm making is that only a FOOL would trust the Tories on workers' rights

I accept that is your OPINION, I disagree. I think Corbyns politics will destroy jobs, investment & equality. I think Boris will improve jobs, investment & workers rights.

We can agree to disagree. Lets allow a democratic vote to decide the outcome. I will abide by the decision of the UK voters, will you?

Leaked Brexit documents reveal Tories' plan to water down workers' rights

The plan, prepared by the Department for exiting the EU, says Britain will diverge from EU regulations on workplace protection.

Boris Johnson will water down workers’ rights after Brexit, according to a leaked Whitehall document.

The plan, prepared by the Department for exiting the EU, says Britain will diverge from EU regulations on workplace protection.

Shadow Brexit minister Jenny Chapman said: “ Boris Johnson ’s Brexit is a blueprint for a deregulated economy.

"It will see vital rights and protections torn up.”

The fear is that the PM wants to turn Britain into a Singapore-style tax-free zone.

The document seen by the Financial Times reveals that on workers’ rights the EU and UK “interpretation of these commitments will be very different”.

Negotiations will come after Brexit when a deal on the future political relationship with the EU is thrashed out.

What Is Boris Johnson's Voting Record On Women's Issues?

Abortion
Boris Johnson hasn't voted on anything abortion related in Parliament since 2007. It’s unclear where he stands on abortions because he’s neither abstained or publicly engaged on the topic. However, regarding abortion rights in Northern Ireland, Johnson said earlier this month ‘I think it’s a matter for the people of Northern Ireland and one of the most important reasons for getting the Stormont Government back up and running.’

Tampon tax
In 2015 Boris was one of 305 MPs who voted against an amendment to remove tampon tax on female sanitary products.

On the other hand, tampon tax has occasionally be held up as one of the small positives to be found in Brexit, as the tax is a European measure. And as we all know, Boris loves Brexit.

Same-sex marriage
Much like his views on abortion, Johnson has never voted on allowing marriage between two people of the same sex. Despite being Mayor when gay marriage was legalised, he’s remained absent on several key votes surrounding gay rights and same sex marriages, only voting to repeal a ban on the promotion of homosexuality in schools.

In his 2001 book Friends, Voters, Countrymen he wrote ‘If gay marriage was OK - and I was uncertain on the issue - then I saw no reason in principle why a union should not be consecrated between three men, as well as two men, or indeed three men and a dog.’

Equal pay and maternity leave
According to his voting record, Johnson has steered clear of voicing his opinion on the gender pay gap or taken any kind of stance on maternity rights and maternity leave. He has, however, stated ‘where there are barriers – be they in pay, discrimination, against women on maternity leave, or the hidden inequalities of the health system – my Government will call them out and do something about them’ when responding to a letter from the Conservative Women in Parliamentary Group (CWIPG).

The only things he did, seemingly, vote on in this area were against an assessment of the impact of Government policies on women, against publishing a gender equality strategy, against annual reports on the gender pay gap and against making recommendations to close it.

Given that Boris hasn't voted on much since he's been eligible, and that we know politicians occasionally say things that they don't totally mean, we’re still a bit confused about where he stands when it comes to these important issues, but can only hope they’re as much of a priority as Brexit and the Irish backstop

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GrouchoMrx, so your whole opinion is based upon 'leaked documents' from an unknown source? Yeah, way to have an educated opinion!

Britain will diverge from EU regulations on workplace protection
We are leaving the EU, of course they will diverge, we have better workplace protections than the EU.

Is that literally ALL you have?

Shadow Brexit minister Jenny Chapman said: “ Boris Johnson ’s Brexit is a blueprint for a deregulated economy

Is that literally ALL you have? ....

Negotiations will come after Brexit when a deal on the future political relationship with the EU is thrashed out

Great if you dont like the Boris position then vote for a different party. The UK voters have a right to their say in a GE.

It looks like the EU should sign up to following UK workplace regulations post Brexit.

Have you read what a prominent antisemitic terrorist supporter has said?

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He's a proper twat isn't he!

#NotACult

Thanks Dusty lol

Fears rise over post-Brexit workers’ rights and regulations

The British government is planning to diverge from the EU on regulation and workers’ rights after Brexit, despite its pledge to maintain a “level playing field” in prime minister Boris Johnson’s deal, according to an official paper shared by ministers this week.

The government paper drafted by Dexeu, the Brexit department, with input from Downing Street stated that the UK was open to significant divergence, even though Brussels isinsisting on comparable regulatory provisions.

The paper, titled “Update to EPSG on level playing field negotiations”, appears to contradict comments made by Mr Johnson on Wednesday when he said the UK was committed to “the highest possible standards” for workers’ rights and environmental standards.

www.ft.com/content/5eb0944e-f67c-11e9-9ef3-eca8fc8f2d65

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