Brexits Arms - To GE or Not to GE that is the question?

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Will the man from del monte say yes on Monday or will he leave a lot us doing this.....again

“It doesn't have to be 3 months up to the wire though.”

It doesn’t, you are so right, but we all know those twats will walk over hot coals to take it there...

I've gone totally off labour.
I can't see many people in there I'd be happy to vote for.

It needs to be purged not only of Corbyns crew but also the chukka gang. The party needs to draw from its supposed roots and get civilians in.

@DustyDiamond I need a good meme, stat.

I cannot find any to articulate my feelings right now.

Maybe with a new speaker things will be different?

Chin up epic!!
I'm confident it will go through!

I have nothing Epic.
Nothing.

“It needs to be purged not only of Corbyns crew but also the chukka gang. The party needs to draw from its supposed roots and get civilians in.”

Momentum was the disease that would always end up consuming its host. I think, (although it could change if the tories monumentally fuck brexit and their proposed policies up) it will take a generation or more for labour to fully purge themselves and return to a healthy electable opposition party once more. I don’t know how they will present themselves though, ‘New Labour’ will hardly work will it?

Richard Tice just on sky talking about a ‘leave alliance’. I wonder what that means? or if it’s just BXP wishful thinking.

Tbh this was totally expected, it's all been gamed by Cummings.

• Parliament forced an extension
• 'brave warrior BJ tried everything he could to Get Brexit Done'
• he offered a GE twice in good time for 31st but Parliament blocked him
• he brought WA for meaningful vote but Parliament wrecked it
• he tried to table passage for WAB but Parliament blocked it
• he tried to bring the EU onside for shorter extension to pass WAB, but anti-Brexit MPs undermined him by writing to Tusk

It was highly likely that Parliament would block all those things - but he pressed ahead anyway. Why? Because it was win/win for him to do so. If he'd got anything through, it was a win - when things were blocked, it was a win ('Parliament vs people'). When opposition MPs revelled in 'giving him a bloody nose' etc, it was 'BJ the underdog, taking on the establishment' - another win.

Latest gambit was to offer GE if WAB was passed.
A very well constructed letter to Jezza - written to speak to the electorate rather than actually to Jezza - loads of repetition in it, pushing further the 'its not me, it's Parliament 🤷🏻‍♀️' narrative.

Today the EU have given the extension that Parliament forced (not BJ...)

Now he's offering GE contingent on WAB (knowing it will be blocked again), opposition will look petulant because they are blocking his offer of GE but then will be tabling their own motion for GE (optics are that Parliament are just game playing & being churlish)

We will likely have the snap GE, and this is now the highest stakes gamble of all.

All parties are fighting the GE with a Brexit stance:
Labour - 2nd ref
Tory - BJ's deal
Lib Dem - revoke
SNP - pro Indy & anti Brexit
BXP - no deal

Winner takes all basically...

If a hung Parliament then we're fucked 😂😂

Although a hung Parliament will hopefully be less paralysed than the current lot as they have to make a decision one way or the other by Jan.

This is the narrative which Cummings created:
At every stage BJ has 'tried his best' but Parliament have 'held him hostage' and 'blocked everything'. He's 'offered GE more than once', been 'forced' to apply for extension, 'tried his hardest' to 'Get Brexit Done' but all to no avail.

The biggest error of the opposition was to let themselves be led by this - always reacting and never acting - always blocking & being negative.

I'm petrified that Jezza will get in by mistake, but this is definitely EndGame now - the last roll of the dice for everyone......

I've a safe seat Tory where I live at the mo Epic, but I'll be having a look at Banks's tactical app anyway to see what it says

Banks is an odious tit, but he is more canny than Farage who's got too caught up in his own hubris now - Banks is supportive of BJ's deal so I'd imagine his tactical voting thing won't be skewed towards BXP (who knows though...!)

It all kicks off today!

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I'm petrified that Jezza will get in by mistake, but this is definitely EndGame now - the last roll of the dice for everyone......

Excellent summary dusty

I think your fears about JC are unfounded though - he doesn’t stand a chance

Tice may go for Boris seat Uxbridge!! So maybe forcing alliance that way

Good breakdown dusty.

I see where you are coming from Bear, and I’m unsure on the real likelihood of an accidental JC government, however there will be palpable anger and frustration out there pushing people to go BXP as a last resort to try to get brexit through. If enough tory safe seats get hammered by BXP, then we could have a real problem. It’s not likely or guaranteed but, there is a higher than comfortable danger of it happening and that really does scare me.

Squeaky bum time guys...

I think that the BXP and the Tories are both so power hungry they would form a coalition in the event of a hung parliament

Farage knows he’ll never get a majority government so a coalition is his only hope.

Scary shit him being deputy PM

I think your fears about JC are unfounded though - he doesn’t stand a chance

I don't trust your runes 🐻 😂😂

The threat is real!!

Constant Vigilance!!

(I really, really, really hate him)

“I think that the BXP and the Tories are both so power hungry they would form a coalition in the event of a hung parliament”

Ugh, I hate myself for hoping for this as the least worst option in the event of the above scenarios playing out.

I am def not a Farage fangirl.

I think he makes several good points often, but there's also much I disagree with.

I'll be watching with interest any alliance stuff Sunny - I don't think there'll be any formal pact, but who actually knows anything anymore?! 🤷🏻‍♀️

All of this is just agony. For all sides. We haven’t even heard yet from the EU that this is the last and final extension! Hoping that this will be made clearer in a formal statement, because if some in parliament honestly think there is even the smallest chance of extending, then they will run with it and force us to live in this democratic pergatory for ever more.

‘Extending again’

YY Epic - any sniff of further opportunity for delay will be like catnip to the anti Brexit contingent 🙄

It will never end 😩

We haven’t even heard yet from the EU that this is the last and final extension! Hoping that this will be made clearer in a formal statement

I don’t think there’s any chance of them saying that

They’ll likely say ‘don’t waste it AGAIN’ but they won’t be put in a position where no deal is their fault

And neither should they be - this is our shit to sort

It’s actually incredibly ironic that Leavers, who wanted to take back control, are hoping the EU enforces a decision on us because our parliament is incapable of sorting it out.............

“It’s actually incredibly ironic that Leavers, who wanted to take back control, are hoping the EU enforces a decision on us because our parliament is incapable of sorting it out.............”

Yep, I can’t disagree, the irony is strong here, but tbh, it merely hammers home to me, just how much control they DO have over the things that we can do and cannot do. It actually hardens my viewpoint further towards brexit. 🤷🏻‍♀️

That makes no sense to me whatever epic but I guess that’s why we are on different sides of the fence

The EU aren’t forcing us to do or not do anything - they are just allowing us time to sort our shit out but we are blatantly incapable of doing so

Completely unrelated but a funny # on twitter at the mo is #WoPoDeathNotices

It's inspired by the Washington Post's headline describing IS terrorist leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi as an "austere religious scholar"