Anyone else worry that we could end up with civil war and the break up of the UK?

[KennDodd]

All because of that wretched unnecessary referendum.

A number of surveys have shown just how many people think violence and the break up of the UK is a price worth paying for Brexit (or no Brexit). We've already got increased tensions in both NI and Scotland. Brexit has all the far right racist groups on their side, so quick to violence, Remain has the young on its side, so again quick to violence. Politicians and the media seem to be intent on only raising the temperature further.

This isn't something that keeps me awake at night or anything but I think people are naive if they think it could never happen here. I suppose one way to avoid it would be if Brexit did happen and the sunlit uplands and all the Brexit promises actually happened. I don't know anyone (Leave or Remain) who believes everything will suddenly get a lot better anymore though. Even if it did I still can't see any solution for the border in Ireland.

Seriously OP, chill out. Civil war - haha

I believe Brexit has validated a far right perspective and that it has led to acceptance of truly unacceptable behaviour and attitudes that have simmered below the surface in some areas, but which had been contained by mainstream society.
I believe it will potentially lead to the breakup of the U.K and that will cause unrest.
I know that civil unrest has been planned for with stockpiling of body bags - so rioting/civil war isn’t an entirely ridiculous notion.

My greatest fear is that some of the political behaviours go beyond reprehensible and immoral into those akin to the early rise of the National Socialist party in 1933. That Brexit will lead to greater polarisation of wealth and real economic hardship for many with increased unemployment and racing inflation sets the perfect breeding ground for a creeping support of the far right.
Heaven help us if a general election finds increased support for the Brexit Party and they return numerous people to Parliament.

the brexiteers goal of being 'entirely free' of the eu is pathetic, unrealistic and ultimately tragic.

Seriously OP, chill out. Civil war - haha

FFS. For the third time this thread. Northern Ireland is in the UK. Or do you just think everything is going to be hunky dory here?

I think the Uk will definitely break up. Ireland will reunite and Scotland will leave. Which leaves pathetic little England and Wales.

I think there will be violence. That awful thing reported yesterday, where the majority of people think violence is justified over Brexit. A who thinks like that? Yet it is normalised. How has it come to this?

I don’t think civil war, but l do think a huge rise in far right violence will happen. And this really scares me

@dirtyrottenscoundrel your riot history is very Londoncentric. We have a proud history of riots in Bristol, over the smallest things

I know that civil unrest has been planned for with stockpiling of body bags

If the body bags have been stockpiled as part of no deal preparations, it is probably less to do with civil unrest and more to do with more mundane reasons for death.

@frumpety, sadly not.

dirtyrottenscoundrel Riots in recent times: ( last 40 years )
Mostly against the police.

Ignores the poll tax riots in 1990 , which were explicitly against Government policy.

What is also relevant is that the Scots has been complaining (and protesting) about them for a year (as they were the "testing ground" ) and it was only after the impact was understood in England (and the resistance to it) that politicians in government took any notice

@Cherrypavlova I guess I shall just have to take your word for it.

Hope everyone has had their Flu jab ? That's not a Brexit related statement by the way, just doing my bit

Indeed, it would be wise to have flu jab if you are eligible or able to pay.

Hi prettybird

You know I thought I recognised your name when you spoke to me on the boot camp thread. You were so kind & supportive I could never argue with you over brexit now.

This is the tragedy of brexit. It’s set people apart who would otherwise get on great.

I think there could be trouble whether brexit happens or not. However, not instigated by voters from either leave or remain, but by extremists who want to make trouble and use the Brexit turmoil as camouflage?

I'm sure it was just an oversight dirtyrottenscoundrels

Although the Scots are used to being ignored

BTW: I even manage to have friendships and reasoned discussions with the very few No voters that I know (although we agree to differ tend to avoid the topic of Indyref ).

But I know no Leavers (except one friend of dh's, who we rarely see) in RL - MN is the only place I come across them But there again I live in Scotland

Cherry Pavlova - Do you have a link to that?

All the leavers I know fall into one of the following categories:

• well off English and retired
• not well off but decidedly pro-English and anti-immigration despite living in areas with very low ethnic diversity
• pilots! (don't ask me why..)
• very rich ex-City or hedge fund people.

Bar the pilots, this pretty much sums up the Tory party support right now.

If I could change just one thing, it would be the leader of the Opposition. There would be a GE that Labour would win, whereas now we have no opposition worth speaking of as Corbyn is unelectable to all but his party membership.

CraicGalore
*All the leavers I know fall into one of the following categories:

• well off English and retired...*

Over 1 million voters living in Scotland voted to leave the EU.

In fact, if you deduct the Leave vote in Scotland, together with the Leave in Northern Ireland, Remain would have won the Referendum vote - therefore it's clearly the fault of Leave voters in Scotland and Northern Ireland.

Leave vote in Northern Ireland

No.
There will never be civil war until the majority have nothing left to lose.

I know that civil unrest has been planned for with stockpiling of body bags

All we actually know about body bags is that the Department of Health/NHS have stockpiled an extra 6 weeks worth of bags (together with a long list of other medical consumable supplies) -because they are manufactured in, or come via the EU and the Dover/Calais crossing.

If we don't leave as planned due to the risk of more bombings etc in Ireland/ N Ireland we are giving in to terrorism.
Personally I'm not happy with empowering terrorists to be able to control our politics. Not a good path to follow.

Fatshedra that's a lofty ambition and all, but what about those of us who actually live here and would have to suffer the consequences? My DH grew up during a war and now my DD might too, or we might have to uproot our lives to avoid it. These are the real choices people will have to live with.

If you know anything at all about NI, you'll know that Nationalists' grievances with a hard border on land are fair and justified. And if you understand that, you'll understand that Unionists feel the same about a border in the sea.

Society is fragile here, as it is in most places fractured down one line.

The reality is that when people are this aggrieved, a very small proportion will respond violently. I don't condone it, but it's human nature, no matter how much I wish it wasn't so. And then violence just feeds violence, with retribution and escalation.

Peace is fragile here. We were just starting to move on, there's a booming tech industry, tourism is growing year on year. People are coming here to discuss Game of Thrones, not just the Troubles. And now we're being dragged back to the dark past because of a bunch of infighting in the Tory party. I think it's unforgiveable.

If we don't leave as planned due to the risk of more bombings etc in Ireland/ N Ireland

Oh, and FFS, there won't be bombings in Ireland. There will be bombings in Northern Ireland, the UK.

Don't know how I missed that the first time, fucks me off every time I see it.

I think there could be trouble whether brexit happens or not. However, not instigated by voters from either leave or remain, but by extremists who want to make trouble and use the Brexit turmoil as camouflage?

Well, you're very, very far away Mystery, aren't you, and may well be severely under-estimating the strength of emotion about this in the UK. I couldn't guess whether things will or won't kick off because so much will depend on whether we BRINO, go no deal, something else. Whatever happens, I'm sure you'll be fine cheering on Brexit from the comfort and distance of the Antipodes.

Mindy I agree with what you say, but to me, the most tragic part about the potential outcome of this childish public schoolboy spat is that more or less no one had the faintest knowledge, or interest in the importance of The GFA to peace on the island of Ireland.

I mean, god, no one's even talking about stuff that was 'known', like the £350m a week to the NHS, the 80m Turks. Even WTO has 'gone quiet'.

It's become so blindly tribal. One side, in particular, is now openly accepting of job losses among their own families, and violence on the streets- to crash this monster through the gates, at any cost.

How did we get here?