Anyone else worry that we could end up with civil war and the break up of the UK?

[KennDodd]

All because of that wretched unnecessary referendum.

A number of surveys have shown just how many people think violence and the break up of the UK is a price worth paying for Brexit (or no Brexit). We've already got increased tensions in both NI and Scotland. Brexit has all the far right racist groups on their side, so quick to violence, Remain has the young on its side, so again quick to violence. Politicians and the media seem to be intent on only raising the temperature further.

This isn't something that keeps me awake at night or anything but I think people are naive if they think it could never happen here. I suppose one way to avoid it would be if Brexit did happen and the sunlit uplands and all the Brexit promises actually happened. I don't know anyone (Leave or Remain) who believes everything will suddenly get a lot better anymore though. Even if it did I still can't see any solution for the border in Ireland.

See username! , except . I like the celtic countries. As dirtyrottenscoundrel intimates there have always been riots, and I do expect there'll be more serious ones as soon as the implications of Brexit start sinking in.

So op, to put you right, very few of these riots were started by far right racist groups.

Get your facts right.

Civil war? No.
Unrest & violence? Maybe.

But only if Brexit is not delivered.

And what kind of little oik even came up with the survey?

A professor at a university working in collaboration with other academics.

Hilariously, he was so trapped in his bubble that he was 'shocked' that feelings amongst leave supporters was so strong.

Who knew?!

Be sure that a fair number of these calls for violence come from the St Petersburg troll factory.

@DustyDiamond
So do you think violence would be acceptable? If so directed at whom? Violence in NI and Scotland as well?

Personally I think were facing civil unrest whichever way this goes and I don't think it's ok/price worth paying.

I think the Troubles will restart. Will takes and blood to sort out.

A few Waxy Lemon types might get pissed in England and throw stuff. Police will deal with that fairly easily.

Most people are keyboard warriors glued to their phones

I think the Troubles will restart
I do too, in fact I think they already have.

I agree. If/when NI breaks down it will be an absolute free for all.

But will the “troubles” be confined to NI? Surely terrorists have learned that attacks in London or Manchester are much more effective?

The DUP are an official report away from collapse, and maybe a few jailings.

What's going to replace them?

DustyDiamond
So do you think violence would be acceptable? If so directed at whom? Violence in NI and Scotland as well?

Acceptable? No.

Possible? Yes.

If Brexit is blocked & not delivered then I'd expect anger to be directed at MPs for not respecting & enacting a democratic instruction - more so against those who actively sought to block or overturn it.

As with all things rooted in anger, it is not unreasonable to presume that violence is likely to manifest.

NI I do not know enough about to comment, and the underlying motivations for anger in NI are very different to those in Scotland, Wales & England.

I have worried about it, but I think we're too lazy. Look at the French, they are constantly protesting and going on strike. Yes we've had the people's vote marches (and poll tax in the early 90s) but on the whole we are a compliant, apathetic lot. There have been a few riots but as pointed out, nearly all against the police.

We had a revolution in the 17th century and it didn't go very well and we got the king back really quickly. And the Guy Fawkes plot didn't end well either.

Agree Ni is another issue and of course that could spill into the rest of GB as it did before.

Scotland keeps being mentioned and I can't see why there would be violence in Scotland particularly? By whom? Against whom?

Civil war - as in people taking up arms against each other i.e. Kill each other over Brexit? No I don’t think so ... get a bloody grip

Scotland keeps being mentioned and I can't see why there would be violence in Scotland particularly? By whom? Against whom?

If Brexit is blocked & the ref result overturned then I expect anger from leave voters.

There are many leavers in Scotland, despite Blackford & Sturgeons pontifications.

A large number of leave supporters are Yes supporters & there's already resentment brewing amongst them anyway, as well as the No supporting leavers

I agree with others that "the troubles"(which is civil war) will reignite if a border is placed either in the Irish sea or on the island of Ireland. Similar to in the past, bombings and other aspects of sectarian violence could spill over into mainland UK and into the republic of Ireland.

If we have a no deal Brexit leading to food shortages then there will price hikes. I think riots would be quite likely in this scenario.

But this is all speculation no one knows what will happen.

“the troubles” will not restart in NI and it’s unhelpful and dismissive to use that term for any unrest in NI a result of the current Brexit related political instability. “The troubles” are over. They were a specific period of civil war. If there is an eruption of violence in NI it will not be just NI up to old tricks again. It’s ignorant to refer to it as such. Any Brexit related unrest is exactly that- not more “troubles”. It would be a new civil war.

BJ and JRM deffo Cavalier -with the facts-, but Francois and Farage look more like Roundheads.

Maybe they'll have a civil war amongst themselves.

I can't say that he's wrong the only question is whether Wales would want to stay with England or not

Wales depends on England for funding and was mainly 52.5% leave.

Yes. And I feel it's like the programme Years and Years unfolding in front of me.

Civil War? Doubt it.
Break up of the UK? Hopefully! 🤞🏻🤞🏻🤞🏻.

But will the “troubles” be confined to NI?

Does that matter?

Does that matter?

Of course. It’s not a problem if its only us NI folk affected. We’re used to it, take it in our stride dontcha know. But heaven forfend it affect actual people who might be hurt. They’d have to do news reports and all sorts.

There’s a really nasty undertone to some of the comments here. (Not yours Mindy incase that isn’t clear)

unnecessary referendum seriously? Are you so close minded that you really believe this?

Before 2016 I believe 6% of voters listed the EU as a concern. You seem to think the EU referendum was necessary, why was that? What do you think would have happened if we hadn't had it?