Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

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Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

• ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -

before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

• in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake

I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

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Brexit is NOT their only policy
Farage successfully whipped up anti-Muslim feeling during the ref campaign - it's probably what won it

They'll become a British AfD:

The AfD changed v quickly from anti-Euro to anti-Muslim
They've also been successful in attracting votes from those who don't want any climate control measures

That's because they had to abandon their policy of leaving the Euro, when too many Germans found the Euro was OK
and since the Tories fucked up Brexit, they've abandoned Dexit too

Yes I would struggle to vote fir anything that will KNOWINGLY put people life at risk.

I do also think that, fir some people, it won’t be as important as avoiding Corbyn and they will still Vote fir that (whilst saying it’s not going to because they can’t see themselves as sending people to their death)

Who is this 'we'?

Of course there are other options!

Brexiteers are like a controlling partner in a marriage - -You can't leave me. There are no other options'

As I asked - are you asking Corbyn to gift Boris immediate control of no-deal?

placemats you’re just doing what so many Remainers have done to their detriment; failing to acknowledge others have a different opinion to you.

I specifically referred to that fact that Leavers still believe there is a ‘will of the people’

That has never been the will of the majority but you can’t deny a lot of people do want no deal

Whilst people only see things they way they want to, nothing is going to change

"I'll ask again:"
what's the alternative to BJ admitting his party have totally fucked up Brexit and calling all parties together to think of a way forward ?

Just as reasonable as demanding that Corbyn do something, to solve a problem the Tories created

Of course there are other options!

Like what?

Bear Your argument in the first place wasn't good either.

Did you not get the sarcasm?

Here's Electoral Calculus' list of predicted seat changes. As pp said, not many Lib/Lab. Most are straightforward Leave or Remain.

www.electoralcalculus.co.uk/cgi-bin/usercode.py?scotcontrol=Y&CON=36.8&LAB=24&LIB=18.2&Brexit=10.2&Green=3.8&UKIP=&TVCON=&TVLAB=&TVLIB=&TVBrexit=&TVGreen=&TVUKIP=&SCOTCON=21&SCOTLAB=19&SCOTLIB=13&SCOTBrexit=5&SCOTGreen=2&SCOTUKIP=&SCOTNAT=39&display=AllChanged&regorseat=%28none%29&boundary=2017base

what's the alternative to BJ admitting his party have totally fucked up Brexit and calling all parties together to think of a way forward?

Why would he do that when he is pasting Corbyn in the polls?

How much clearer people need this to be?

More people agree with BJ than JC

And unless Labour and JC get their act together you are getting 5 more years of the Tories

Bear You keep doing what so many Tories / ex-Tories do (and I'm sure you'll resume being a Tory as soon as we Brexit)

You keep demanding that Corbyn solve a problem your party created

instead of demanding that BJ do something

• Why don't you demand that ?

e.g. Demand that he bring back May's WA ?
The EU would have no problem with that; either WA would satisfy their red lines

and that would be one way to stop No Deal and prevent the ERG dream, Bonfire of Workers Rights etc

Other options:

Revoke A50
Hold another referendum/People's Vote

But like a controlling partner in a marriage, Brexiteers don't listen - instead they hold fast 'will of the people' and no other options.

placemats I’m not trying to argue, I’m asking what the viable alternatives to a GE are?

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They are both ‘like to have’ not ‘viable’

You keep demanding that Corbyn solve a problem your party created

No, I’m saying those of you who detest the Tories are making a huge mistake in defending and supporting Corbyn because it’s just going to hand a GE to the Tories

I simply don’t understand why you think BJ would change his approach when he’s polling miles ahead of the alternatives?

It's up to the tories to sort their shit out, not Corbyn or anyone else. The tories need to own their shit. It's a typical narc trait to insist and expect others to sort out the problems created by themselves. This is on the government. Corbyn has been crap as an opposition leader it he's not the one in power so this is not his mess to rectify.
I don't see how a GE will solve anything. Happy to be proved wrong on that but I expect a hung parliament and nothing to change significantly enough to move anything forward.

Bear Giving in to BJ won't suddenly make Labour win the GE

In fact if Corbyn allows Brexit to happen before a GE, he would lose millions of furious Remain voters
and Labour would be absolutely hammered in a GE

Why should Corbyn attempt to do something that most of his MPs are totally against ?
That's MPs like Starner, Benn and all the other Remainers (so everyone except about 30 MPs) who are vehemently against a GE after Brexit

So they would probably refuse to obey anyway
but why split his party in that attempt to solve a Tory fuck-up ?

If I had a magic wand, I would make the idiots have a LONG PAUSE, say three years, and see what happens then.

The empty vessels make the most noise, so a sensible regroup and re think on this momentous decision for all of us would be ignored by those who refuse to make sense of this potential self destruction, so the shouting ensues once again.

Not one person on the Leave side has given ANY benefit to leaving. So I wait and wait.....

what's the alternative to BJ admitting his party have totally fucked up Brexit and calling all parties together to think of a way forward ?

BJ hasn’t fucked up Brexit... He has got a deal
with the EU, he’s won a reasonable majority for that deal on the 2nd reading. However, he should stop playing games and let Parliamentary process run its course and give a reasonable time
to debate the bill. If he had we’d likely
be on our way to a mid-November departure... but if the deal failed at the 3rd reading, it’s difficult to see how Corbyn could
reasonably resist an election in such circumstances.

Corbyn has been crap as an opposition leader it he's not the one in power so this is not his mess to rectify.

But how do you expect him to be elected on the back of his current performance and the fact BJ is polling much higher

I don't expect him to be elected. I expect a Tory minority again/hung parliament. Which is why a GE won't solve anything.

OK, so if there is a vote on a GE tomorrow and Corbyn doesn’t support it - then what happens?

No, I’m saying those of you who detest the Tories are making a huge mistake in defending and supporting Corbyn because it’s just going to hand a GE to the Tories

Well that's not me ...

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A deal that will be scrutinised to the nth degree, and rightly so.

A deal that Johnson wanted to push through without any scrutiny.

Why was that? Oaken

I expect a Tory minority again/hung parliament. Which is why a GE won't solve anything.

In that situation the Tories and BXP are both so power hungry they could probably form a coalition and that’s hardly going to end well for Remainers is it?