Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

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Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

• ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -

before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

• in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake

I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

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The fact that there’s a huge appetite in the Labour Party for a second referendum.
But he is the leader
and he has stopped Labour party resources calling out Brexit as a right wing coup that will make 99.9% of the country poorer.
He is the Leader whose Momentum goons get MPs deselected for not being 'radical' enough.
He's not giben a shiny shit about what the remainers in the party want for the last 41 months
what makes you think he will start now.

I know this is a partial rehash of my rant at Justanother on the last thread
BUT
JC is not the messiah, he's a very lazy boy

I managed to work boris Johnson is a wanker into a training session today. If anyone was there hi! And yes, I do love to lower the tone

Great. Everyone agrees that they despise Corbyn and he's a twat and a lettuce, useless and err lazy etc etc etc

But they'll vote Labour, and that's all that matters right now.

But they'll vote Labour, and that's all that matters right now.
I'm not at all sure of that.
And sadly under the FPTP rules, that would hand the Govt to Bozo

If Corbyn doesn't stop WAB, or goes for a GE that returns an HoC that will either pass WAB, or Revoke, then I very much might vote for a Corbyn-led Labour Partyafterwards.

My constituency remains firm for a long time towards the 'party' they have elected. In the next GE it will return a Tory, even if BxP stands. Both Tories and Lib Dems have had there look in here, Greens have been established here longer than 'woke' London or Brighton.

There is some support here for Labour - evidenced by the last local elections when they took some seats - I'd add to that, sfter the Brexit process moves along some.

But they'll vote Labour, and that's all that matters right now.

I'm not at all sure of that.
And sadly under the FPTP rules, that would hand the Govt to Bozo*

I think the word tactically was missed out of @ArseDarkly's post (sorry if I'm putting words in your 'mouth', Arse). Meaning that it won't hand the govt to BoZo necessarily.

But he is the leader and he has stopped Labour party resources calling out Brexit as a right wing coup that will make 99.9% of the country poorer.

Things are different now though - it really feels like we’ve reached a crunch point where a decision has got to be made one way or the other. And as I said previously, I’m no fan of Corbyn - but I’d vote for him in an election if it meant we had a hope of stopping Brexit!

Things are different now though - it really feels like we’ve reached a crunch point where a decision has got to be made one way or the other
If I go and stand in my local supermarket now (poor white area) I can absolutely promise you that the vast bulk of people neither know or care about all this
and would vote for whoever promised to get Brexit done

Amazing photo. Difficult to have any sympathy for a woman who made this mess much worse with her red lines.

Not wanting to remind people of anything historical - but at the end of WW2, the UK electorate voted out Churchill. BJ likens himself to WC.

Fixed it for you.

Listening, of course there are people who want to get Brexit done, I don’t think anyone would dispute that. But equally there are lots of people who don’t want to leave the EU...like me! Are you hoping we leave?

Wonder
No.
I have a bottle of champagne in my wine rack with a "revoke" postit on it.
I'd settle for a Norway style Brexit
BUT
The Lexiters have allowed the waters to muddy
so people think they might benefit from Brexit
when less than 0.1% actually will

Re the Macron assumed "condition" - we've had a rule belief on here not to believe anything about the EU's next steps unless and until it's been reported in EU27 media.

Our MSM even The Times continues to report via a distorted prism of self-interest and a belief in --English-1 UK exceptionalism

Wondering7777
Trust me, I'll tell y'all when I feel optimistic enough to move that bottle into the fridge

I live in a Labour/Tory marginal
I dislike Corbyn
I’m a member of the Conservative Party

However, I currently intend to vote for my sensible pro-remain MP. He’s Labour.

I personally think Labour do have a chance of winning - I’m no fan of Corbyn but would vote for him if it meant stopping Brexit, and I’m sure there are others like me

I disagree. Sadly I think there are many voters that are equally as afraid of a Corbyn government as they are of Brexit. Plus Corbyn is a leaver at heart. If labour had a credible leader e.g. Kier Starmer with a clear message on the reality of Brexit they would absolutely take the centre ground. It's an open goal for an opposition party yet they've failed to grasp the chance for the last 3.5 years.

Sadly, I suspect Listening is right (regarding poor white areas who have given not a thought from June 2016 to today re Brexit, apart from 'we want it done'.).

Like Kanal, I wonder if Britain does need its arse kicking.

I do not want for this to happen as we know that people will die if we do. And lose jobs, homes, hope.

But ultimately, if there is no other way, from the ashes of our economy, and our political systems, after we have felt the white hot heat of asset stripping, workers rights destruction, disaster capitalism writ large, a US owned NHS and so forth-....

We might finally grow up as a nation and begin to accept the reality that we have been permitted for too long to sit at Top Tables which only history afforded us a place at; those seat being kept warm by over-privileged, sneery, posh white boys, century after century.

We are a small island on the edge of the Atlantic with a fascinating history book, but an economy entirely dependent on passing the world's money across some desks in London, skimming as we go; with a shocking state education system (cf 'Brexit'); crumbling infrastructure being looted by share holders; a casino approach to property ownership, shocking social inequality.

We need to act accordingly. Not hark back to wars won, with much international help, 75 years ago. Let alone an Empire of several centuries ago.

The irresponsibility of allowing a binary vote on a multifaceted issue demonstrates a disconnected, privileged, out of touch government (that we keep on voting in- we can't help ourselves once we see a Bullingdon Boy). Our collective yawn at the Lib Dems attempt to ditch FPTP in favour of PR. And the silliness of so many Leave votes ('Um, I dunno.. 'For a change'?) demonstrates a howling need for change, alright.

But maybe, given how many still think Brexit is a bit of a game, need that change to hurt in order to begin to engage with what the real problems are, and how we sort them. And 'accept' how we brought our impoverishment, as a nation, upon ourselves.

Churchill?

I think the closest parallel for BJ is Horatio Bottomley. For those not in the know:

Horatio William Bottomley (23 March 1860 – 26 May 1933) was an English financier, journalist, editor, newspaper proprietor, swindler, and Member of Parliament. He is best known for his editorship of the popular magazine John Bull, and for his patriotic oratory during the First World War. His career came to a sudden end when, in 1922, he was convicted of fraud and sentenced to seven years' imprisonment.

I think the closest parallel for BJ is Horatio Bottomley.

Horatio Bottomley - what a name!

Bozo stripped Churchill's grandson of the Tory whip
nuff said

miljah
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Someone upthread proposed Labour go into an alliance with SNP. You do know they are the bitterest of rivals in Scotland?

Obviously point missed, even when it harmonizes with your own tune, you can miss some things as you concentrate solely on the sound you are making.

@wondering7777 think you are bang on the money with Hiratio Bottomley

Sorry @MockersthefeMANist meant you !!