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Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:24

Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

  • ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -
before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

  • in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake
I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

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ListeningQuietly · 26/10/2019 19:06

Agree utterly with miljah's analysis
She has captured the zeitgeist of the voters round here and in similar areas bang on

BackInTime · 26/10/2019 19:07

There are a lot of politically homeless right now and a toxic GE campaign could just disillusion people even further.

placemats · 26/10/2019 19:08

I'm going to vote Labour. I'll even push leaflets through the door.

placemats · 26/10/2019 19:10

Wondering

I can't read that link.

I did do google searches.

None of them, including your link, is relevant.

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:12

I'll vote tactically.
That will probably mean labour in this neck of the woods...

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:13

Is bridgen going to stand again?
fucking hope not

Hasenstein · 26/10/2019 19:14

Wasn't Bottomley the one who was seen sewing mailbags in prison by the Home Secretary (can't remember which one), who asked"Ah, Bottomley, sewing?", to which a remorseful Bottomley replied "No, reaping".
May be apocryphal, but I seem to recall reading it 😁

MockersthefeMANist · 26/10/2019 19:17

You can wiki HB.

We are at a watershed in our politics. Parliament is going to have to move out of the Palace for at least twelve years. Realignment is on the cards. The SDP was a false dawn. It's coming. And Scotland is not exactly going but is headed for arm-length self-govt, not entirely unlike Northern Ireland until 1969.

Basilpots · 26/10/2019 19:17

I’m really concerned about turnout. Tory’s have a proper hardcore turn up and vote no matter what core.

I worry that Labour voters will just stay at home.

placemats · 26/10/2019 19:17

Like your post Milah However.

Our collective yawn at the Lib Dems attempt to ditch FPTP in favour of PR.

I supported PR. My first vote was in Northern Ireland by PR. It works.

I was disappointed by the result. But I will never vote LibDems, not in my constituency. still don't forgive the LibDems on the University fees

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 19:17

Is Bridgen your MP, @Hoooo? You have my utmost sympathy.

I'd be cautious about calling what your area is going to do. Unless you've personally spoken to at least 75% of its population. We live in weird times.

BackInTime · 26/10/2019 19:18

@placemats Me too, but I will do so holding my nose because under any other circumstances I would not vote for Corbyn. I am a centrist not a party loyalist and despise and fear the Tories and the far right so if Labour is what it takes to stop then, Labour it is.

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 19:19

Same here, @BackInTime. That uni fees thing really is tired, childish and misunderstands the role of a minority party in a coalition.

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 19:20

I can't read that link.

None of them, including your link, is relevant.

It doesn’t take a genius to see the contradiction in terms there @placemats. And there’s no need to be so rude either.

ListeningQuietly · 26/10/2019 19:20

still don't forgive the LibDems on the University fees
Funny,
lots of current University students know that it was the Tories as the senior party in the coalition who caused that.

Not voting Libdem because of water under the bridge is DAFT
not voting Libdem because they think that women have penises is a different matter

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:21

My county voted 60.7% leave.
It's 98.8% white.
Labour won't win here.

placemats · 26/10/2019 19:22

Miljah apologies.

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:22

...and thanks for the sympathy! He is a moron. Oddly, not very popular in my town. Bit the people that don't like him probably don't vote (well, until 2016 that is!)
Keyboard warriors

placemats · 26/10/2019 19:23

They may well have changed their mind in recent months Hooo

Not all of them will be immersed in Buyer's Remorse.

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:24

Not according to fb Confused

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 19:24

He is a moron.

Come now, that's unkind to morons! And generous to him. He's a raging, cunting, wankbadgering, cockwombling fuckwit.

SwedishEdith · 26/10/2019 19:24

I think no-one can predict at all how any election will go. Rob Ford has analysed (and tweeted about) this a lot. In short, people's identity between Labour or Leave is more Labour. The white working class who have never voted may be more difficult to predict. Will they bother voting again? Will they vote BXP? Aversion to voting to Tory is strong in a lot of areas.

twitter.com/Redpolitics/status/1172120940844650496?s=20

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:25

LDs wouldn't do well here (never have)
Greens won a local council in May though

placemats · 26/10/2019 19:26

I just knew you were going to say FB.

Hooo

Busy watching Strictly.

Hoooo · 26/10/2019 19:27

Local council seat that should read

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