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Westministenders: Sub-Prime Minister at large

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BigChocFrenzy · 25/10/2019 13:24

Our Sub-Prime Minister BJ is threatening a govt tantrum strike until he is allowed his Haribo GE on 12 December.

If MPs vote for a GE, he has promised them "more time" to debate the WAB,
but that would only be from 29 October to 7 November

  • ridiculously inadequate for such complex legislation -
before Parliament is automatically dissolved for the 25 sitting days before a GE.

The GE debate starts Monday 2:30 pm in the HoC
Corbyn says he'll agree to a GE if BJ takes No Deal off the table

BUT wIth this WA,
No deal cannot 100% be taken off the table whilst the Tories are in office:

they could still No Deal after transition ends on 31 December 2020,
if they don't request a transition by July.

We don't know when the EU will give their decision on an extension, or what it will be:

The EU may decide only after the HoC vote
- in which case MPs would be voting "blindly"

Tusk, Merkel & most other leaders want to grant the Flextension until 31 January,
but Macron & a few others want to give a short extension of only 2-4 weeks, to pressure MPs to pass the WA in November

  • in which case the GE would take place shortly after Brexit, which would be a gift to BJ.

A 12 December GE would also cause serious logistical problems for local council officials:

Apart from their poll station bookings clashing with Xmas bookings for church halls & schools,

they are legally required to send out all the polling cards based on the current electoral roll,
then at the GE, check names against the new electoral roll which must be updated on 1 December

The Rebel Alliance want a long extension, so they have time to add amendments to the WAB,
e.g. a CU, the Level Playing Field agreement in May's WA, maybe even a PV
So many may want to vote against a GE before that ..... but what does Corbyn want ?

BJ as PM could still change the date of any GE after he has agreed to it, if it suits him.

What does BJ want ?
Alice Cooper said it:

"I'm your top prime cut of meat, I'm your choice
I wanna be elected
I'm your yankee doodle dandy in a gold Rolls Royce
I wanna be elected
Kids want a savior, don't need a fake

I wanna be elected
We're all gonna rock to the rules that I make
I wanna be elected, elected, elected..."

m.youtube.com/watch?v=cSvy8HpxFxo

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wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:34

@kanelbulleKing I do know what you mean, but I could never wish for no deal. What about all the people who don’t want to leave who will be really badly affected? I could lose my job Sad

mrslaughan · 26/10/2019 17:35

@wondering7777 - agree to an election or ratify Bozo's deal - fair enough..... they eat to see them do something, essentially stop fucking around.
It's quite different when he is saying the two options, not just endorsing 1 of the options

mrslaughan · 26/10/2019 17:38

But as DH said - bozo's deal (in changed) may end with more loss of life - just over a longer period of time.
It's a bloody awful situation- short term chaos and deaths vs long term issues - which could again lead to premature deaths

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:38

He doesn't care if it's a shit deal then. Fuck the U.K. citizens, eh? We didn't all vote for this shitshow.

I understand the shit or get off the pot mentality, but forcing us to ratify something without scrutiny isn't great.

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:38

It's quite different when he is saying the two options, not just endorsing 1 of the options

Sorry, yes you’re right. But given the choice of a GE, voting for Boris’s deal or leaving with no deal, Corbyn will almost certainly go for option one, I’d have thought!

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:39

That choice is why I think revoke now has a better chance than ever, @mrslaughan.

mrslaughan · 26/10/2019 17:41

Emergency revoke? I actually don't see that likely at all . JC is dying for an election and the sensible in his party are only just holding thy off from what I can see....... I just can't see labour getting a working majority- so we are in the same shit. I would love to be wrong

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:42

I understand the shit or get off the pot mentality, but forcing us to ratify something without scrutiny isn't great.

But we’ve had almost 3.5 years to get our shit together, so I think it’s understandable that some EU members (ok, one) have had enough. It’s not all about us! Macron probably doesn’t trust that we won’t extend again after January if MPs still can’t come to a resolution - and why should he?

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:44

I do know that, @wondering7777, but I'm not sure why you'd essentially thereabouts force no deal on us either.

I dunno, I'm just scared and would prefer support from somewhere, I guess, given that our politicians couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery!

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:45

JC is dying for an election and the sensible in his party are only just holding thy off from what I can see....... I just can't see labour getting a working majority

I guess if the Times report is correct then Labour will have no choice, as I don’t think an emergency revoke will happen.

I personally think Labour do have a chance of winning - I’m no fan of Corbyn but would vote for him if it meant stopping Brexit, and I’m sure there are others like me.

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:47

I do know that, @wondering7777, but I'm not sure why you'd essentially thereabouts force no deal on us either.

I think Macron is taking a calculated risk that MPs will 100% vote for something (either a GE or Boris’s deal) rather than risk no deal. Let’s hope he’s right - I think he is!

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:48

I think there will be LOADS of tactical voting. I'll be doing it.

I don't think any party will win outright. But I think the Tories have burned all C&S bridges with all other parties.

I would think that opposition party leaders are now having urgent talks - with the rebels, indies and One Nations - as to what their tactic will be on Monday. Their choice really is GE or emergency revoke at this point as far as I can see (or allow no deal).

thecatfromjapan · 26/10/2019 17:48

There's no way on God's earth Labour will get a working majority.

Sorry.

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:50

I simply cannot see ratifying the deal being an option. I honestly think (hope!) that revoke is more likely.

I tweeted Keir earlier telling him it's all very well tweeting about how bad the deal is, but they need to bloody DO something about it! He's essentially a keyboard warrior. Pointless.

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:51

There's no way on God's earth Labour will get a working majority.

I suppose an alliance with the Lib Dems is unlikely (?) but is there any chance they could team up with the SNP in order to get one?

Is Monday really going to be the day that some form of decision is made?

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:52

I tweeted Keir earlier telling him it's all very well tweeting about how bad the deal is, but they need to bloody DO something about it! He's essentially a keyboard warrior. Pointless.

Fair point. What would you like to see him do?

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:53

Hopefully, wondering. My nerves are fucked.

ListeningQuietly · 26/10/2019 17:54

I’m no fan of Corbyn but would vote for him if it meant stopping Brexit, and I’m sure there are others like me.
What makes you think Corbyn would stop Brexit?
He's wanted Brexit since the early 1970's

ArseDarkly · 26/10/2019 17:55

I personally think Labour do have a chance of winning - I’m no fan of Corbyn but would vote for him if it meant stopping Brexit, and I’m sure there are others like me

I think so too. A large (enough) silent majority who don't want Brexit and have had more than enough of Tory policy and Tory lies

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:56

What could also happen is that a GE is voted down, Macron will cave into pressure from the other EU member states and we’ll get an extension till January.

NoWordForFluffy · 26/10/2019 17:56

I'd like the Labour Party leader to be a vociferous opposition leader and absolutely bang the fucking drum about how - and why - this deal is so bad. I want it reporting across all media about what the deal REALLY means. It shouldn't be left to the Shadow Brexit Secretary to get a message across via Twitter.

Labour / Corbyn have been USELESS in this regard. For 3.5 fucking years.

I've seen more gumption in a piece of slimy lettuce than Corbyn.

(And I'd still vote tactically for them to oust the Tory in my constituency if necessary. Not everyone is as fucking pragmatic as me though. And that's a big problem.)

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:57

What makes you think Corbyn would stop Brexit? He's wanted Brexit since the early 1970's

The fact that there’s a huge appetite in the Labour Party for a second referendum.

thecatfromjapan · 26/10/2019 17:57

My hope - and it is hope - is that Labour won't lose so many votes it lets the Cons in and an alliance is possible.

wondering7777 · 26/10/2019 17:58

100% agree with you @NoWordForFluffy

dreichsky · 26/10/2019 18:00

I also agree with @NoWordForFluffy.

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