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Westminstenders: Don't and Keep Living

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RedToothBrush · 23/10/2019 13:19

Status Recall as of approx 1

Johnson’s Withdrawal Agreement (The WA) :
Currently parliamentary session blocked in its current form due to being nodded through (government accept defeat without vote). It can not be represented to the house without changes (which the EU will not allow - unless perhaps it reverts back to May's WA) or a 'substantive change of circumstances' (eg another party says they will support it and there is reason to believe Johnson now has a clear majority).

The Withdrawal Agreement Bill (The WAB):
The withdrawal agreement bill is purely about how the WA will be carried out in UK law. It passed its 2nd reading which is merely a indication of interest of support for the bill. The next stage is where amendments can be made and this is most relevant to the political declaration which accompanies the WA settlement.

This however has hit a road block due to the government recklessly and foolishly trying to push such an important and far reaching bill through in a ridiculous time frame, which no one could possibly give proper scrutiny to.

If Johnson wants a deal in the best int3of the country its an essential part of the process regardless of which side of the fence you sit. Failure to spot problems could leave us shafted by other countries later down the line.

The timetable is now under review and negotiation with Corbyn.

The extension with the EU:
The EU president has signaled he would support an extension. This is in part because issues in London mean it is highly unlikely the EU will be able to ratify a deal by next Thursday even if they have an emergency meeting. It's in their interests to extend in some way.

Going along with the Benn Act is the politically least risky option, though France are making growling noises about it.

Two issues spring up with this. The first is the issue of the UK having no EU Commissioner after 1st Nov and the second is the EU budget runs until 31st Dec 2019.

The Queens Speech:
The government as it stands might struggle to pass the QS especially with the DUP off side. It failing to pass is, in some ways, a good thing for Johnson. The speech was essentially a manifesto and blocking it is a good electioneering strategy. It also puts pressure on the opposition for a Vote of No Confidence.

There are already rumblings following the passing of the 2nd reading of the WAB and the EU signally they are open to an extension that some in Labour (including crucially Corbyn) do think they must agree to a GE in the autumn.

A Vonc is still unlikely to happen until the EU formalise the extension and the EU are unlikely to do this until its clear what Johnson's next move with the WAB is. Johnson meanwhile doesn't want to agree to a longer timetable as that ruins his do or die speech and facilitates an extension. So expect some brinkmanship over timings here. We might not get a formal extension approved until the wire.

The GE:
All Brexit is currently about is manoeuvring to win the next GE. It must be seen in this context.

Polling suggests that an extension without the WA is bad for Johnson and he is likely to lose support to the Brexit Party. There is an ever shrinking likelihood of the WA going through before 31st Oct, if its not impossible already. Thus Johnson needs to see if he can get the WA through very quickly after an extension but before a GE.

This reasonably lines up with Labour's problems. Before the WA goes through a GE looks bad for them with them haemorrhaging support to the LDs and the the Brexit Party.

If they are seen to facilitate the WA passing before an election then there may also be a sense of betrayal amongst their majority remain supporters but it might let them off with the Brexit Party threat particularly in the Midlands.

Meanwhile the SNP have an increasing desire for a GE. They look like they will clean up in Scotland and it might be their last chance now to stop Brexit. Similar logic applies to the LDs.

Thus the chances of a GE shoot up once an extension is granted, but the Cons and Labour have a mutual self interest in getting a deal done ASAP before a GE in many ways.

This of course would probably suit the French and therefore the EU.

Which is why a deal before 15th Nov and by the 15th Dec, isnt unrealistic. A GE might come before Christmas but I think both the Cons and Lab have something of an interest in letting the dust settle and getting new messaging in to head off threats from the LDs and Brexit Party. I'd be more inclined to say a Feb election tbh.

Anyway things may have changed since I started typing this up given how quickly things are moving.

But despite the headlines that Brexit is in pergortory it is now slowly rolling forward and now has some momentum behind it.

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JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/10/2019 21:52

Thank you for the kind words and I do respect most of you (those that I dont you know who you are, I wish you no harm though) even though I disagree with you all a lot I'm sorry if I ever take it to far

I was told by a friend in my 20's that this anger would fade as I got older, I'm 47 I'm still waiting Grin

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 21:53

I honestly feel that if we can't pull together for this GE, we're fucked.

It couldn't be more serious.

We have to.

squid4 · 24/10/2019 21:55

If there is a dec 12 election that’s the release date of Star Wars and we need to make more of the “rebel alliance” Wink Bringing down the evil empire!

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 21:55

Well, I think I understand where you're coming from a bit more, now, Just.

I sincerely send love and good wishes. It's shit being disabled under this government. ☹️

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 21:56

I'm so looking forward to Star Wars.

NoCryingInEngineering · 24/10/2019 21:56

Just I have asked this before (but these threads move fast). What is the timescale under which Labour plan to renationalise the utilities?

AutumnCrow · 24/10/2019 21:56

That violence poll sample size was only P=1954

That's ridiculous

squid4 · 24/10/2019 21:58

Oops no, dec 19th for Star Wars but near enough....

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2019 21:58

cat I'm afraid that the logistics will add another million or two advantage for BJ
The Tories have learned from their GOP mates about subtle disenfranchising of sections of the opposition

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 24/10/2019 21:58

Divide and conquer seems to be the theme of today Sad Don't let them do that to us on here Thanks

AutumnCrow · 24/10/2019 21:59

I'd like us all to stick together please.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2019 22:00

Engineering I'm a centrist and I don't actually give a shit about Labour's renationalisation dreams,
let alone the dream schedule
Our hair is on fire - Brexit !

JustAnotherPoster00 · 24/10/2019 22:00

NoCryingInEngineering I dont think there's a timetable as such Id have to look deeper which I can do if you want, with water and power I'm not a 100% sure, if I remember as far as rail is concerned it'll be as and when the contracts come up, I know they want to start a government bond scheme to pay shareholders a fair price which would be agreed by parliament

squid4 · 24/10/2019 22:00

Group hug. You guys on this thread are literally my sanity I can barely read the news any more.

BigChocFrenzy · 24/10/2019 22:02

squid 🤛🏼🤛🏼

Violetparis · 24/10/2019 22:04

Wishing you well Just Flowers.

Hoooo · 24/10/2019 22:05

BXP now is it bear? Tbh I don't care who you vote for. Knowingly voting for those fuckers at any time is basically all I need to know. Yes, yes ...you can say the same about me of course...tribalism, yadda yadda...there IS no common ground I can see.

All I see is more division and eroding of social cohesion.

Sorry. Not cheery.

squid already booked star wars tickets for 19th afaik it doesn't open til then

ListeningQuietly · 24/10/2019 22:05

NoCryinginEngineering
I am no Corbyn fan
but if you really think that the Nationalisation plans are a real issue you need to read more.

Dismantling rail franchising is supported by the socialist bastards of the FT, the Economist and the Wall Street Journal.
It can be done at no cost to anybody in less than three years.

Other nationalisations will not happen but the regulators will be given BIG CANINES
good

thecatfromjapan · 24/10/2019 22:06

I know , BigChoc.

I also know that we're relying on tactical voting, which will not be supported at Party level - and that's ... 🤷‍♀️

So I am one unhappy bunny.

Hoooo · 24/10/2019 22:06

just its so, so shit.
I'm sorry x

Bearbehind · 24/10/2019 22:06

I'd like us all to stick together please.

Agreed - I’m just trying to make the point that worshipping at the altar of JC is no better than doing so that the altar of JC

They are both absolute fuckers

yolofish · 24/10/2019 22:06

I need to read back a few pages but just have to say this: I cannot get over the ARROGANCE of Wanker Johnson's statement: Parlt can have time for scrutiny if they give me an election. Words fucking fail me, the wanker wanker wanker.

ListeningQuietly · 24/10/2019 22:07

OOH, Star wars. Not my thang but the gentleman next to me on the sofa has it in the diary Wink

NoCryingInEngineering · 24/10/2019 22:07

I appreciate the Hair on Fire model BCF and it's mostly where I am too. However as I work in utilities (and have minimal to zero faith in Corbyn actually opposing Brexit) I'd quite like a feel for how thought out some of these policies are selfishly particularly the one that might affect the existence of my job!

Bearbehind · 24/10/2019 22:08

BXP now is it bear?

Yes - absolutely 🤔

FFS

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