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time4chocolate · 22/10/2019 21:45

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Bearbehind · 23/10/2019 21:19

There is a very long list of people to ‘blame’ for Brexit but there’s 1 person who could have done something very different like fuck off and resign once it was clear what a shit show this all is, and that’s Corbyn.

GreenishMe · 23/10/2019 21:21

That's exactly how I feel Dusty.....completely betrayed.

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 21:29

“It's shit like this that annoys me so much. Would you like the Brexit party in charge of your constituency?”

Hi Pingu, welcome back WineSmile. The two positions are not mutually exclusive. GE’s happen every four years. Brexit happens once in a generation (so we are told.)

Therefore, tactical voting is a legitimate way to attempt to uphold the ref result. Frankly, if HOC remainers were willing to do, what they said they would do and uphold the democratic vote as promised, then we would not even be having this conversation. But they reneged, so here we are.

Nigel is a twat, but he is a twat with a massive brexity carrot. (not a euphemism Envy -also not envy)

It is unlikely that BXP will win enough seats for a constituency, but if they do, then 4 yrs later (almost the amount if time this utter fuckery has taken so far) they can be gone again if constituents are unhappy. Yay to democracy.

Them’s the breaks, and that’s where we are.

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 21:31

Thanks to all for the kind neck advice. @howabout I will try the neck ‘extensions’ ( no pun intended Grin). Much appreciated! Smile

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 21:31

Bear. I could not agree more.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 23/10/2019 21:33

Does the BXP have a manifesto? Any thoughts on education? Welfare? Health? Housing? Or are they just a one trick pony?

mindproject · 23/10/2019 21:38

I can't work out if this thread is ironic or not?

GreenishMe · 23/10/2019 21:39

Nigel's massive carrot......difficult to unsee that image now Sad

DustyDiamond · 23/10/2019 21:39

That's exactly how I feel Dusty.....completely betrayed.

😟

I feel anger about what's going on, but not the betrayal that you & my friend have.

I've never identified strongly with any party & am an annoying, fickle, floating voter

I've voted Labour, Lib Dem, Tory & Brexit Party over the years & have no allegiance or great love for any of them so it's not distressing for me like it is for many.

Hopefully Corbyn will be booted & the Labour party will then be able to regroup after Brexit & get back to normal.

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 21:40

Honestly? They are a one trick pony at this stage imho. Most people know this and it would be disingenuous to present them as otherwise, but as I have previously said, I view them as a last ditch lobby group. And a very very last resort to ensure the vote is upheld. That’s my view anyway, some would like them in parliament, I wouldn’t, but would hold my nose and accept them if necessary.

DustyDiamond · 23/10/2019 21:41

Nigel is a twat, but he is a twat with a massive brexity carrot. (not a euphemism Envy -also not envy)

😂😂😂😂

DustyDiamond · 23/10/2019 21:43

Does the BXP have a manifesto? Any thoughts on education? Welfare? Health? Housing? Or are they just a one trick pony?

They only need to be a one trick pony 🤷🏻‍♀️

MeganBacon · 23/10/2019 21:44

There is a very long list of people to ‘blame’ for Brexit but there’s 1 person who could have done something very different like fuck off and resign once it was clear what a shit show this all is, and that’s Corbyn.
Couldn't agree more.

Sunnyuplands · 23/10/2019 21:47

The are a 1 trick pony and I don't think nige, ever pretended ukip or anyone wasn't.

Brexiters have been tactically voting for years.

But who to vote for now.

How.

I would adore it if Farage and his game for brexit was that clever.
I just don't feel that it is.

twofingerstoEverything · 23/10/2019 22:17

In the next GE, I'm going to use my vote purely with a view to upholding the result of the Referendum.
That's why a second referendum would be better. A GE should determine policies around housing, transport, defence, education, foreign policy, etc. for the following 5 years. It should not be about a single issue. Imagine, for example, the Brexit party being in charge of any of those things. It might mean you end up getting what you want wrt brexit, but would be pretty damned shit for everything else.

DustyDiamond · 23/10/2019 22:27

That's why a second referendum would be better.

To a remainer who continues to refuse to accept the result of 2016, I can see why a 2nd ref is desirable.

To a democrat, be they remain or leave voter, it is a betrayal of democracy & a spit in the face.

If it was a deal vs no deal ref then that would be different but you are presumably referring to a re-run of 2016 with remain as an option still?

A second ref with Remain as a choice solves nothing. If the turnout is less than that of 2016, or if remain win with a smaller % then it solves nothing.

All a 2nd ref would do is stoke up the biggest amount of anger imaginable & rip this country even further apart.

Trust in democracy & politicians is stretched to its limit as it is, a 2nd ref with remain on the ballot would fracture it completely.

Sunnyuplands · 23/10/2019 22:28

Brexit will affect all the those issues and brexit party will hardly get any seats if any at all.

It's tactical voting to keep brexit going and not kicked into the long grass by anti democratic politicians posing as democrats.

ArseDarkly · 23/10/2019 22:33

Second ref would definitely be a better way to resolve the crisis but it doesn't look as though enough mp's will back it - I assume they're afraid of being targeted (even more than now) for 'wrecking brexit'.

The sad thing is it would almost certainly come out strongly in favour of remain but people are being denied that chance. Instead we will have to be dragged through a vicious and depressing GE campaign

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 22:39

Let’s be completely honest. A second ref is a bullshit option, if passed somehow as an amendment or otherwise , it will be deliberately split to neuter any potential leave result. Even so, many people will feel so understandably disenfranchised that their last vote wasn’t upheld as promised, that they are unlikely to bother to turn up and who could blame them? The PV crowd know this and that’s why they want it. They don’t want a people’s vote, they want no brexit, and they know, that if they starve the electorate for long enough, then they can force this position. The only fair democratic resolution to this right now is a GE. (Actually 31st exit is the most democratic , but they have fucked that too now. So... here we are)

Enough with this People’s vote bullshit. We had it, we told you what we wanted and apparently that wasn’t good enough. So why would we believe that you care now? Because “this time we will believe you and enact it, honest!” Right. Yeah. If you say so. Hmm

GreenishMe · 23/10/2019 22:48

That's why a second referendum would be better. A GE should determine policies around housing, transport, defence, education, foreign policy, etc. for the following 5 years. It should not be about a single issue. Imagine, for example, the Brexit party being in charge of any of those things. It might mean you end up getting what you want wrt brexit, but would be pretty damned shit for everything else.

Well, you would say that because you want a 2nd Referendum. I don't.

As someone said earlier in the thread.....there will be further Elections but this is possibly our one and only chance to leave the EU. We won't be granted this opportunity again - neither will our grandchildren or their grandchildren.

Far more worrying than any short-term effects of leaving the EU is the realisation that millions of people are not just blase about the fact that our democracy is teetering on the brink of collapse - they're actively fighting to make it happen. This is what people should really be protesting about.

ArseDarkly · 23/10/2019 22:51

Absoutely people calling for 2nd Ref are all remainers and many of those just want to put a stop to Brexit - because they genuinely believe it is a massive mistake.

we told you what we wanted Hardly. I've yet to hear a consistent or coherent version of what 'leave' meant. That reply is equally bullshit really because if you genuinely believed that this 'we', the majority, really wanted Brexit there would be no reason to fear a 2nd ref.

If there was a 2nd ref it would not be permitted to split the vote by having 2 leave options. It should be leave with the deal as negotiated by Bozo or remain - simple and straightforward.

Sunnyuplands · 23/10/2019 22:55

It's been a mentioned so many times what leave means. Why it's impossible to pin down, and why it's not relevant. It's just another meaningless soundbite created by the people who like to tell other people what to do.

It would be very different if leavers started a group with massive numbers asking for over turn but leavers still want to leave.

Walkingdeadfangirl · 23/10/2019 23:02

What is the point of another referendum and ignoring the first? Remainers will say it will be acted on but even if Leave won by 52/48 again, remainers will just carry on stopping Brexit.

A referendum is pointless unless remain is the only option and leavers promise to respect the result. 🤢🤢🤢🤢

Or of course a deal or no deal referendum, if remainers are genuine democrats and actually want to know what leavers voted for.

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 23:09

“we told you what we wanted Hardly. I've yet to hear a consistent or coherent version of what 'leave' meant. That reply is equally bullshit really because if you genuinely believed that this 'we', the majority, really wanted Brexit there would be no reason to fear a 2nd ref.”

What a pile of crap. For 3 + years, leavers have been on these and many other threads/platforms giving consistent and coherent reasons. they/we eventually gave up due to the constant barrage of abuse and insults, not to mention the bare faced refusal to take any of these fair points on board even just a little. That you stick your fingers in your ears and couldn’t give a fuck about the answers/reasons is frankly not our problem, and I for one am not going to repeat myself ad nauseum. I and multiple others did this in the early days of this whole stupid debacle. I don’t fear a 2nd ref, I just don’t fucking want it or need it. Neither do the majority of brexit voters and a fair few truly democratic remain voters, because they know the truth about what it really represents. It will be an undemocratic dirty fix and we want no part of it.

Epicwaffle · 23/10/2019 23:11

Jesus. The cult of the ‘star spangled sphincter’ is strong tonight. Hmm