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Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil

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RedToothBrush · 21/10/2019 22:03

In a move that surprised no one paying attention, Bercow refused to let Johnson put the WA back to the house today after it had already been presented to the house on Saturday.

This move upset the government but was entirely predictable.

This means that the only way the deal can move forward is through the WA's implementation bill (the WAB). It was published for the first time tonight (all 100 pages of it) and it will be presented to the house tomorrow.

In a lightning fast timetable parliament will be asked to scruntise it. This of course is reckless in the extreme for such an important piece of legislation. The speed at which it is being forced through is the thing that looks most likely to ruffle feathers.

The government is still trying to pretend it can make the 31st October deadline and leave by then. The reality is there isn't enough time for parliament to pass the necessary legislation and the EU will need to also ratify the deal, which in a best case scenario won't happen until next week with an extraordinary EU meeting to do so. This is much more likely to occur the week after at the earliest.

The reality is the EU need an extension themselves which is why we are very likely to get at least a short technical one and remain in the EU beyond next Thursday. It's in the UK and EU's interest if we do want to get a deal done.

Everything that Johnson does though is about optics ahead of a GE. It has to play it all as if he has been prevented from leaving as he promised.

We wait to see the pieces of a deal fall into place. It is in progress now finally it seems. For better or worse.

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tobee · 21/10/2019 22:06

Ooh early place mark! Thanks Red

NoWordForFluffy · 21/10/2019 22:08

PMK.

Thanks, Red.

Hoooo · 21/10/2019 22:08

Thanks red.

Pmk

tobee · 21/10/2019 22:08

Am I the only one who sees FTPA and FPTP and has to carefully sound out the abbreviation every time?

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 21/10/2019 22:10

PMK before bed. Thanks red.

Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil
GeistohneGrenzen · 21/10/2019 22:12

PMK and thank you Red

Horehound · 21/10/2019 22:13

Pmk

thecatfromjapan · 21/10/2019 22:14

Aaah. Lovely thread title. 💐

Peregrina · 21/10/2019 22:16

I hope we get an extension and then Johnson has failed. Maybe the ERG will get the knives out for him? I don't know.

DGRossetti · 21/10/2019 22:17

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PeninsulaPanic · 21/10/2019 22:17

Chuckled when I saw the thread title, after the special request from @TheMShip Grin

Thanks @RedToothBrush for your excellent work and commitment to the cause Wink These threads are nailbiters and page-turners and my only really required reading anymore...

Probably won't get involved in the debate because you all do it so much better than I ever could, but very grateful to be party to it!

ContinuityError · 21/10/2019 22:18

If the UK doesn’t leave on 31/10, all those Get Ready For Brexit ads are going to prove an expensive white elephant.

lonelyplanetmum · 21/10/2019 22:18

A small pmk but huge thanks.

NoWordForFluffy · 21/10/2019 22:19

@tobee, I do that too!

TheCaddyisaBaddie · 21/10/2019 22:19

Pmk

prettybird · 21/10/2019 22:20

Pinned in place by one of the boys who had my arm trapped. A bit like Brexit: no escape Wink

Someone on the last thread said "Agree re media yet May was better at pmq than BJ"

.....but BJ has only done one Hmm, just one PMQs since he became PM in July ShockAnyone might think he might be avoiding them Wink

The one that he did do was full of bluster and clever dick Classical allusions Hmm

Westminstenders: Another day of fear and toil
TheMShip · 21/10/2019 22:23

Thanks for using my thread title suggestion Red! I'm crashing out myself now, it's been a long day travelling.

fedup21 · 21/10/2019 22:29

How popular is Boris actually?

He’s only done one PMQT which was crap, he’s lost every vote he’s held and his visits out to the public are received like a cup full of sick.

Who does like him?!

ClashCityRocker · 21/10/2019 22:30

In with the early pmk!

Thanks Red.

Sunshine1239 · 21/10/2019 22:33

Fedup21

He’s lost every parliament vote but he’s topped massively every single public vote 🙄

barnun · 21/10/2019 22:36

PMK

cherin · 21/10/2019 22:38

@RedToothBrush there was an advert in the Economist a couple of issues ago, they’re looking for a political editor...I know you’ve got a life already, but I’d see you extremely talented for that!

Driedlimes · 21/10/2019 22:40

So placemarking but also reflecting on a twitter post by a leaver saying that if this bill succeeds it will be a chance to heal.

At this point I don't see any possibility of healing. The far right has divided us & will rule.

I feel extreme anger towards anyone who still thinks leaving is a good idea/ the we won rhetoric is pathetic (it's not a football match); the culture wars are well and truly underway - a convenient way to stop people coming together to oppose what's happened/will happen.

Something really horrible has been unleashed - remainers do nothing but compromise, but it's really hard to compromise on core values of:

  • wanting a decent economy
  • opposing racism
  • wanting to listen & be guided by empirical evidence not 'feelings'
  • loving being part of something bigger & better than the UK & making the most of the opportunities.

I could go on & on. There are no legitimate or cogent reasons to leave & yet we will, because the Conservative party says so. No other party is under any obligation to collude & yet some will.

I think the game is up now & in spite of all good sense this will pass.

TokyoSushi · 21/10/2019 22:40

PMK, thank you!

colouringinpro · 21/10/2019 22:42

pmk with increasing desperation!

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