Westminstenders: Super Saturday

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Parliament sits on a Saturday for the first time since the Falklands.

A deal has been reached with the EU. Its utterly shite and worse for the UK than May's deal. It even leaves no deal as an option after transition.

The DUP don't like it. They got predictably shafted.

Tomorrow is a debate and vote on the deal. Amendments are key, in particular the Letwin amendment which seeks to close a loophole in the Benn Act and stop the Deal being adopted tomorrow, instead forcing the ultimate decision over the deal to a later date and forcing an extension.

Which the EU may or may not agree to.

There is also talk of forcing another ref via amendments but this, unlike the Letwin amendment is unlikely to pass.

The vote tomorrow looks to be very tight. The Letwin amendment passes looks likely to make Johnson fail to have the numbers. However there is talk that enough Labour MPs have decided to back the deal.

There is also a big anti Brexit march in London tomorrow (which runs the risk of having problems with the Extinction Rebellion ban). Good luck to everyone going tomorrow.

See you on the other side (which might now be on this thread!!)

@Fatshedra sorry yes - Rory Stewart voted against the Letwin amendment.

When Brexit became just a Tory policy done the Tory way, then of course all the other parties would oppose every attempt to pass a Tory bill
Yes business and the people who voted to leave can get stuffed - those nasty Tories mustn't get their own way.
Labour MP going on about workers rights and jobs - they'll be no jobs if this drags on for several more years.

I thought Rory Stewart would have switched camps as he wants to be mayor of London. His constituency voted leave the Eu. London was remain.

I've oft heard that because of the closeness of the Ref Result that this gives a 'mandate' for a 'soft Brexit'. Taking that as a premise, if the result had been the same but returned a Remain result, would that have given a mandate for a 'soft Remain'? Whatever that is.

I thought Rory Stewart would have switched camps as he wants to be mayor of London

Perhaps he puts his principles before playing politics - a rare thing these days to be fair!

You say Rory Stewart will be toast in London. However, Johnson was voted in twice, all the while wasting money had over fist.

We have lived with uncertainty for years now. Businesses have too. Businesses in fact never have certainty. Tis just the way it is. And I'd rather uncertainty than a false deal that is pushed by the ERG into a hard Brexit. How delightfully patronising.

Oh the irony of Steven Baker (on BBC) complaining about MPs not supporting a Withdrawal Agreement!

Don't think that's fair, Fathshed.

Problem with z Tory Brexit is that it puts Conservative party politics front and centre.

Two problems with that:

1. The Cons are riven.

Ergo, any CP Brexit is similarly riven.

So, this one tries to promise 2 contradictory things:
A. Frictionless trade down the line (for business)
B no regulation.

Alas, you can't have both - so it kicks the wrangling down the road, settles nothing, and leaves everyone in fear of a future No Deal and bonfire of regulations.

1. Conservative Party at present in hands of ERG - so any CP Brexit is not going to be a Brexit that centres the rights of workers.

Any member of Parliament not in the Conservative Party is going to find it hard to give their support to that.

A cross-Party Brexit would have looked very different to this.

It would almost certainly have accepted the terms for a soft Brexit and gore grounded the conditions for psssportung of City finance and services.

But, hey, we're way past that now ...

Can I ask what deal do posters on here want or do you want every deal that comes before the HOC to fail, in the hopes of Brexit being stopped. If your not happy with the border in the Irish sea then what would you find acceptable?

I think the chances of a PV have gone up

I hope so, but I'm not so sure we can simply put all the troubles back in Pandora's Box.

We need revoke now. And then when trouble still rumbles on? We need urgent reparations against austerity, we need a rebuilding of the public sector starting with rebuilding real local accountability via local governments. Bullshit is there not enough money in this country. We need urgent reparations against the structural inequality that already exists - the big stuff, the fact that most land is owned by such a small number of people, never mind the middle 'professional' v lower class 'unskilled / trade' squabbles. We need the practical concerns raised by unrestricted immigration acknowledged. We need law, roll-back of restrictions on employee rights, and enforcement of that law. We need safety nets and ladders enabling asset acquisition and improvement by all rebuilt. We need an end to the housing crisis. Then, and only then, should we ask the question of the EU again, and this time do it bloody properly with full consultation of options.

Yes, Johnson was indeed Mayor.

Quite a few people voted for him for the Lolz 🤷‍♀️ and he's widely explained as the revenge of the 'doughnuts' (the outer ring of suburbs).

I can't see Rory Stewart appealing to those.

They'll find the walking thing bonkers for a start.

Dark for PM!

Can I ask what deal do posters on here want or do you want every deal that comes before the HOC to fail, in the hopes of Brexit being stopped. If your not happy with the border in the Irish sea then what would you find acceptable?

I'd be perfectly happy with the Norway+ Brexit we were promised by Gove etc - "no question of us leaving the single market" and all that.

I think on this thread there would be wide support for that.

Revoke would be great, and what a sensible government, with a sensible electorate, would do.

Alas, the Brexit madness has not yet receded enough for that. 🤷‍♀️

Revoke?! Now?! Seriously DarkAtEndOfUK? Yeah that’s a great idea let’s just totally ignore 17.4 million voters! FFS!

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@Voila212 Can I ask what deal do posters on here want

I would prefer to revoke. But would be satisfied with customs union plus alignment on single market regulations, ie level playing field, and as much as possible free trade in services as well as goods, services being 80% of the economy.

Perhaps he puts his principles before playing politics - a rare thing these days to be fair!

Nope - Rory the Tory puts Rory first. He recently said he didn't regret voting for austerity.

You say Rory Stewart will be toast in London. However, Johnson was voted in twice, all the while wasting money had over fist.

Think about the people Stewart has to appeal to in order to have the faintest chance - moderates, business-minded centre right voters.

I'd accept single market and customs union membership. Reluctantly, but I would. With the possibility of moving further away if need be over time if people insisted - lots and lots of time. This cold turkey attitude from a nation so dependent on trade is absolute madness.

Grieve on Sky news now. Saying we can't keep going round in circles but that 'where we're going is utterly damaging'. Says he has no doubt speaker will rule govt's plans for Monday out of order

@HateIsNotGood My view is that the EU concessions that Cameron had would have provided a soft remain. The only thing preventing an even softer remain was the UK's wish to be on the top table for making decisions.

@Voila212 Personally I would accept a Norway plus deal as a Brexit deal. It is leaving but in a way that doesn't damage the UK too much and given the narrow leave victory provides balance. Since think not leaving is a better plan but I would accept it.