Westminstenders: Super Saturday

[RedToothBrush]

Parliament sits on a Saturday for the first time since the Falklands.

A deal has been reached with the EU. Its utterly shite and worse for the UK than May's deal. It even leaves no deal as an option after transition.

The DUP don't like it. They got predictably shafted.

Tomorrow is a debate and vote on the deal. Amendments are key, in particular the Letwin amendment which seeks to close a loophole in the Benn Act and stop the Deal being adopted tomorrow, instead forcing the ultimate decision over the deal to a later date and forcing an extension.

Which the EU may or may not agree to.

There is also talk of forcing another ref via amendments but this, unlike the Letwin amendment is unlikely to pass.

The vote tomorrow looks to be very tight. The Letwin amendment passes looks likely to make Johnson fail to have the numbers. However there is talk that enough Labour MPs have decided to back the deal.

There is also a big anti Brexit march in London tomorrow (which runs the risk of having problems with the Extinction Rebellion ban). Good luck to everyone going tomorrow.

See you on the other side (which might now be on this thread!!)

I notice that BBC has now changed its report on the march to "tens of thousands". I think there is a limit to how long that they could retain credibility by just describing the attendance as "thousands"

Last I heard 'around 3pm' wondering, obviously subject to change at any time!

We just heard an announcement that it was looking like 4 pm - who knows!!

As a kindred spirit of the Tory rebels, I’ve reconsidered my position on the Letwin amendment.

If it passes, I believe we will quickly have a VONC - which the Government will lose without the DUP - and a GE whilst we’re still in the EU. I can see why opposition might want that, but it’s high risk
and poor strategy

If the Letwin amendment doesn’t pass, and the deal does... we only get “no deal” in the event that some of those supporting it today oppose the associated legislation (possible but unlikely I believe) AND those opposed to the Brexit deal vote against the associated legislation en masse....

If Labour/LDs/SNP etc did this, they would
be the ones voting for “no deal”
and it would be an insane exercise in collectively cutting of their noses to spite their faces.... In the final analysis, they won’t do it and will simply abstain, (at least enough will to avoid no-deal).

Sure it wasn't 4am Zig? (Or is midnight the deadline for the Benn Act?)

Sky news saying vote will be around 2:30pm.

Apparently Bercow wanted to change it to 5pm but was unsuccessful.

Werent they only meant to sit for five hours today? What happens when that time is up? Will they kep going or go home with nothing resolved??

BBC saying between 2.30 and 3pm.

Keri Starmer was bloody good.

Apparently Bercow wanted to change it to 5pm but was unsuccessful.

Thank goodness for that. I’ve had about as much of this as I can take!

BBC saying between 2.30 and 3pm

Not long now then. If the Letwin amendment means a PV or GE is any more likely then I’m all for it.

FlagofStars - think Rebecca Long Bailey is the last speaker. Please God.

Scratch that. Gove is on now.

It’s Gove for the windup

Shots fired by Bailey there, I hope the rebel Labour MP's were listening

Well there are at least 35 I can count in Zigazags photo and I think I can see Mrs Miggins from the pie shop among them.

Did I actually hear Gove utter the words 'sacred promises'

Gove always sounds (in tone and politesness) so reasonable, it isn't till you hear something so wrong that it jars that you realise how easily he can sucker you in.

Had a brain fart. What's PV again. To lazy to go looking for the abbreviation thread

Letwin Division!

Division on Letwin amendment now called.

So this is the vote on the Letwin?

Yes Potter

I always find him utterly nauseating and insincere Torches but that was especially emetic

PV = people's vote/2nd ref

PV = People's Vote Potterhead