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Westminstenders: Super Saturday

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RedToothBrush · 18/10/2019 23:02

Parliament sits on a Saturday for the first time since the Falklands.

A deal has been reached with the EU. Its utterly shite and worse for the UK than May's deal. It even leaves no deal as an option after transition.

The DUP don't like it. They got predictably shafted.

Tomorrow is a debate and vote on the deal. Amendments are key, in particular the Letwin amendment which seeks to close a loophole in the Benn Act and stop the Deal being adopted tomorrow, instead forcing the ultimate decision over the deal to a later date and forcing an extension.

Which the EU may or may not agree to.

There is also talk of forcing another ref via amendments but this, unlike the Letwin amendment is unlikely to pass.

The vote tomorrow looks to be very tight. The Letwin amendment passes looks likely to make Johnson fail to have the numbers. However there is talk that enough Labour MPs have decided to back the deal.

There is also a big anti Brexit march in London tomorrow (which runs the risk of having problems with the Extinction Rebellion ban). Good luck to everyone going tomorrow.

See you on the other side (which might now be on this thread!!)

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OublietteBravo · 19/10/2019 13:14

Let's hope you fly back to an EU member state, oubliette - and a fuming BJ !

🤞Here’s hoping @BigChocFrenzy. That would be a perfect end to my holiday.

OublietteBravo · 19/10/2019 13:15

I wish I was marching - I did last time. The numbers look good on the footage I’ve seen.

DGRossetti · 19/10/2019 13:15

I gave up on the BBC years ago.

wondering7777 · 19/10/2019 13:18

Why aren’t they voting on whether we will have a second PV? I thought that was going to be one of the options?

PostNotInHaste · 19/10/2019 13:18

Do we know a rough time the Letwin vote expected? Really sorry if I’ve missed it.

Just seen this:

Christopher Hope📝
@christopherhope
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BREAKING The DUP is considering abstaining on the Letwin amendment, according to three sources.
This makes it very very close.
So far there is not final decision.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 19/10/2019 13:24

TM is still deluded then Confused

wondering7777 · 19/10/2019 13:26

Why would the DUP abstain? Does that suggest they are now backing Boris?

I will obviously be pleased if the Letwin amendment passes, but on the other hand it will only delay Brexit for a week or two, so it doesn’t sound like anything to get too excited about. Even Letwin himself has said that he will vote for Boris’s deal and that it’s a sensible deal Confused

prettybird · 19/10/2019 13:27

She's just stubborn. And thrawn.

Given that this is just her deal with bits tippexed out, she can hardly say "Vote against it" Confused

icannotremember · 19/10/2019 13:29

Letwin prevents them going for a sneaky crash out on Halloween, so that's good. I've also read that it means the chance to move a confirmatory vote amendment and others remains possible, but tbh I haven't read up on how true or likely that is.

LouiseCollins28 · 19/10/2019 13:29

May backs the Deal. May in her short speech also succinctly destroys the Labour Party’s positioning. Parliament: If you want to avoid “no deal”, vote for Deal. Simple.

Driedlimes · 19/10/2019 13:31

Hardly.
Just delays it.
Crash out will then happen as a matter of course with parliament's hands tied.

Oakenbeach · 19/10/2019 13:33

Why would the DUP abstain? Does that suggest they are now backing Boris?

No, nothing to do with backing Boris. It’s a political calculation on what’s most likely to stop this deal.... Their calculations differ from others opposed to the deal as they would prefer no-deal to the deal being offered.

Dontlickthetrolley · 19/10/2019 13:33

Go Ken Clarke!

prettybird · 19/10/2019 13:33

Sounds like Ken Clarke is having doubts about voting for a "Bad Deal".

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 19/10/2019 13:35

I do like Ken. He's another calm and considered person that speaks sense and doesn't get aerated and just says it like it is.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 19/10/2019 13:37

Hang on, he thinks it's a bad deal but that it should be supported?? Confused

flouncyfanny · 19/10/2019 13:41

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Basilpots · 19/10/2019 13:41

If you want to avoid “no deal”, vote for Deal. Simple.

If you want to delay no deal vote for it.

Dontlickthetrolley · 19/10/2019 13:42

I was thinking that 😱 but then thought are they discussing the Letwin ammendment???

It's bloody confusing!

PostNotInHaste · 19/10/2019 13:44

I think and may well be wrong that Bercow said both would be debated together so TM was able to be referring to WA

TheOliphantintheRoom · 19/10/2019 13:45

Yep, Bercow cos it avoids bad deal Confused Thing Ken is losing the plot now!

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 19/10/2019 13:47

Or was he saying it's a bad deal so vote for the letwin amendment?

icannotremember · 19/10/2019 13:51

DUP sound to be supporting Letwin, going by Sammy Wilson's speech?

TemporaryPermanent · 19/10/2019 13:57

I'd say Tm had a profound sense of duty to the Tory party, personally, and nobody else.

wondering7777 · 19/10/2019 14:01

My prediction: both the Letwin amendment and BJ’s deal will be voted down.

Speaking of which, when is the first vote?