Will Boris’s deal pass?

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Gauging opinion - No discussion, just yes or no

No

Yes I think it will pass

If the Letwin amendment gets passed, I don't think there will be a vote? From my understanding the amendment & the Benn amendment tie together, the Letwin amendment means that the agreement is not up to be voted for until everything is agreed & put in writing, the agreement that should be voted on tomorrow is only a starting place & then further negotiations have to take place to write all the laws & small print, if the Letwin agreement is passed, the Brexit agreement will only be up to be voted on once everything has been written & agreed. Part of this could include a peoples vote so that we all get a further chance to give our consent, we would have more information on what the agreement stood for.

No that's a misinterpretation of the Letwin amendment,

What that amendment says is it needs to be passed into law first, then the house approves. Once it's made law, it's made law. Done deal. Game over. We are out.

They are trying to stop us slipping out with no deal, by approving it and then it's not passed into legislation by 31 Oct, because it's such a lot of work to do it, there are several hundred laws to be changed.

So no there might not be a straight up vote on the deal. The Letwin amendment to put it simply is to approve it being made the law of the land.

It’s the only deal we will get. It’s a good deal. If they vote against it, they can’t then moan about leaving with no deal. Labour are a joke right now. They give no fucks about Britain, only defeating the tories. They keep banging on about workers rights. There’s no way the tories would take away those as they’d never get elected again. People need to dig deeper into labour and what they are doing right now. Especially in Liverpool.

There’s no way the tories would take away those as they’d never get elected again.

This is incorrect I'm afraid. They wouldn't take rights away instantly but it would be a drip drip drip justified by the need to attract US trade.

One of the key beliefs of the ERG Tory wing now in control is that without some workers and consumer rights businesses could have more freedom and profit and that US investment would be easier. In the US you can just fire someone for no reason with limited come back unless it's discrimination.

The Tory government did try to restrict employment rights in another way by introducing disproportionately high tribunal fees. Workers ability to bring claims dropped by 70% until the court ruled the fees unlawful.

Flexibility to reduce workers rights is very much on the agenda which is why Johnson removed these rights from the agreement to the non binding declaration.

Oh and it isn't the only deal we could get? May's deal did have a guarantee on workers and consumer rights.

Yes I think so.

We’re about to set the dial back decades in terms of workers rights sadly.

@PulpPixie

There’s no way the tories would take away those as they’d never get elected again

You obviously haven't been paying attention or you would have noticed the workers rights the Tories have already removed.

I think No
In fact I have placed a bet it will fail by a majority of 10 or more. But I do have a poor record in predicting these things.

You obviously haven't been paying attention or you would have noticed the workers rights the Tories have already removed.

And a lot of people were perfectly happy with this. Until they become directly affected and then it's whine, whine, whine.

Will it pass? I haven't a clue. When does voting start, today?

Personally I am desperate for this deal to be voted in. I am absolute sick of all this extended travesty. Politicians have mad this country and it’s people a laughing stock. Enough uncertainty and division, let’s just do it. There is no better deal out there. A vote to reject is just more years of upheaval and misery.

I really don't know. Watching the debate right now.

There was a better deal - May's was better than this. Johnson's deal is just May's with bits about protecting workers' rights crossed out. Just what his ERG chums want.

If you want an end, then Revoke is the best deal on offer now.

The workers rights thing is a proper red herring. Basically we will no longer comply with the eu laws on workers rights. We will create our own. Do remember any laws are made my our whole parliament and not just the government, there is really no issue there. It's just something labour has tried to use as political propaganda to justify why they are not voting for it.

In addition, so is all the crap that Teresa mays deal was better. They are saying that because we have a free trade deal with the eu, we can't negotiate something better than free trade, what the fuck could we negotiate that's better than that?

Some of the shite being spouted by politicians that we would be able to negotiate better deals than we could with 27 other countries standing behind us is bonkers. If we could get better than we currently have, we already would have.

I would prefer revoke but it won’t happen

There was never going to be another referendum there was a chance for Article 50 to not be triggered - sadly not enough supposedly remain MP’s were willing to go against the party whip their lackluster attempts to prevent us leaving just I feel shows the vote was accepted back in 2016

We are leaving I think this will go through if not an election and the Tories will win with a comfortable majority that shall enable them to push us leaving through parliament

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The workers rights thing is a proper red herring. Basically we will no longer comply with the eu laws on workers rights. We will create our own.”
I know. That’s what worries me.

A Starmer has just said- if the intention was to keep current workers rights, why leave it open to weaken them?

this is a shit ton better than no deal

It's precisely 14 months better than no deal. No more, no less. The only shit ton that relates to is the amount of stockpiling you could (and should) be doing in that time.

I wish Keir Starmer was head of the Labour party!

The workers rights thing is a proper red herring. Basically we will no longer comply with the eu laws on workers rights. We will create our own. Do remember any laws are made my our whole parliament and not just the government, there is really no issue there. It's just something labour has tried to use as political propaganda to justify why they are not voting for it.

That's not quite true. If the Tories put various deregulation policies in their manifesto (they will frame it carefully, they aren't going to call it "removal of workers' rights), then Parliament cannot stop them from implementing them.

I don’t actually think Starmer would make a huge difference but would like him to be leader he has the intelligence and experience of making difficult decision and he will appeal to more centre voters but not to the idealist JC idiots

Labour are in a very difficult position but they could have made a choice sometime ago to decide and argued that point to win voters over but useless Corbyn and co have dragged their feet faffing away they are not professional enough to have been able to deal with the issues (or even bothered trying to be) and many don’t really know where labour stand on leaving the EU - they are as much to blame

We are leaving I think this will go through if not an election

At least an election will give people another say on Brexit.

It won’t

It will give people another say on if there will be another referendum

Libdems haven’t got a chance of winning