Westminstenders: DUP says no

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I don't really feel qualified to start a Westminstenders thread but we need a new one....

Any Labour MP who votes for this deal is out of their minds. They won't get anything that Johnson promises in the way of protection for constituents and they'll certainly get all the blame when it finally dawns on those constituents that it Brexit got 'done'.

Well.
Car filled with fuel.
Meds collected.
Time to hunker down I guess.

*that Brexit is not 'done'

I admit I never dreamt of dumping NI to negotiate an ERG Brexit for GB

I can only repeat this was always on the cards even with May’s deal. It was discussed enough on here.

Trouble is there are those who think getting this bastardised WA through the HofC is IT.

Some people are in for a huge shock...and I honestly just don't care anymore.

Maybe the areseholes who voted for this (because they all know EXACTLY what they voted for thank you very much!) should suffer the consequences of their actions.

It'll be someone else's fault, of course. Probably that nasty EU 🙄🤬

How isthe treatment of NI and Ireland a shock to anyond who has been paying attention!?

am 55 and fully expect to see a united Ireland and an independent Scotland before I retire

That would one plus to come out of the sorry mess.

This article is interesting. It has a clear visual of how little Boris has actually negotiated for he 'new deal'.

www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/oct/18/how-much-johnson-great-new-deal-actually-new?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR1f8Uzt5j93aZlpbcpAlCU5HuCI3IHYymXKkHb_dDh7qX9i7ipujVRph8s#Echobox=1571394455

Reunification of Ireland does have an air of inevitability about it, sooner rather than later.

"this was always on the cards even with May’s deal."

It was only ever a possibility with May's deal, which was deliberately designed to keep NI+GB together, because May is a Unionist

This WA was specifically based on dumping NI and BJ doesn't give a shit about the Union

Big difference between the whole intention of the WAs
and big difference between the motivations of the PMs who designed and advocated them

BJ's WA is far worse if it just does what it says on the tin;
May's WA had the possibility to be twisted, but there is no 100% safety in any possible WA - all can be perverted later if a future govt is sufficiently determined

"one plus to come out of the sorry mess."

If Ireland manages to reunite without Loyalist terror attacks and if Scotland manages to completely change its trading /economic basis and add a border without its economy collapsing ....

then Cendrillon & co can enjoy a smaller HoC that the Tories can more easily dominate

May is a unionist, but May was always going to retire once she got her deal through. Her WA contained the option for rUK and and EU to agree to leave NI behind in the backstop if they couldn’t agree a deal.

BJ would likely have succeeded her anyway, so all his deal does is expedite the plan for NI.

By if I mean when.

Please don’t shoot me down in flames, but would the majority of people care if Scotland gained its independence or NI joined Ireland ( apart from people in their respective countries)
We seem to be in an era where more and more countries want their independence

Heidi Allen MP
@heidiallen75
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1h
Be under no illusion - this Government and the ERG still want No Deal. They know they will never negotiate a comprehensive FTA in just one year of transition. This deal is a gateway to No Deal and MPs need to open their eyes

I think/hope Scotland will be all right. I don’t think there’s much hope of avoiding Loyalist violence now.

Suella Braver and Sarah Champion both supporting the deal. Its going to be very close.

Diane Abbott
@HackneyAbbott
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No Labour MP should be voting for the sell out bill

Be under no illusion - this Government and the ERG still want No Deal. They know they will never negotiate a comprehensive FTA in just one year of transition. This deal is a gateway to No Deal and MPs need to open their eyes

Yup.

If Varadkar is up for the risk, then he judges it worthwhile

He also will likely have a GE soon - all parties were only holding off to let Brexit be resolved .

So avoiding No Deal and avoiding a border within Ireland would probably give him a boost

• can anyone in Ireland comment on that ? 🤔 Or won't that come into a GE, what with Coveney playing a good supporting role too ?

Braverman.
Damn autocorrect.

I admit I never dreamt of dumping NI to negotiate an ERG Brexit for GB

This was always going to happen - I'm shocked anyone is surprised. Even with May's deal - they would have switched to a NI only backstop once we were out and she was gone. The EU would have let them - many didn't like the concession of the UK wide backstop in the first place.

It was why I have always been against any W.A without the people voting on it first. Brino was not and never was going to happen. The plan was always to dump NI and turn GB into an American colony.

TatianaLarina Why would they ? If it wrecks the economy like people said it will, they will be out on their eyes at the next GE, with a new party putting right the wrongs

This was always going to happen - I'm shocked anyone is surprised. Even with May's deal - they would have switched to a NI only backstop once we were out and she was gone. The EU would have let them - many didn't like the concession of the UK wide backstop in the first place.

Exactly.

There is no plan for any comprehensive FTA with the EU
Moving the Level Playing Field conditions out of the WA makes that clear

The UK will be aiming only for a minimum FTA,
because without LPF the EU would only allow the most basic FTA, probably just Tariffs, with nothing on NTBs

Merkel has stated that BJ is clearly aiming for a much more distant relationship with the EU than May did,
but also said that the EU can plan for that without problems, now that they know

That absolute basic FTA could be negotiated pretty quickly and could even go through the approval process after transition

• because first analyses say that the expected FTA it isn't much different to no deal wrt GDP outcome