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Westminstenders: Showdown

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RedToothBrush · 13/10/2019 20:22

Big week ahead.

Johnson has until Tuesday Afternoon to get his shit together for the EU.

He thinks it can be down, but still lots to do in that time.

This week we have the Queen's Speech too, which is going to be misused as a party political broadcast.

Remember if the government can't pass the QS, there's a crisis that gets generated as a direct result. Sticking in proposals that any liberal or leftie will struggle with, is deliberately provoking a crisis of that nature. A proposal of that type would have to be anti democratic in nature, like... Ermmm... Voter ID. Hell, well what do you know.

Johnson is still after his election because as it stands he's a passenger stuck in the runaway train of his own creation.

Talk of a deal breakthrough is still overstated too. The DUP and many of the usual ERG suspects have poured water on the idea. And many on the opposition benches are pushing hard on a confirmary ref being needed for a deal - they don't have the numbers yet, but talk is that they are close. We also have loyalist military making threats about an Irish Sea Border solution.

Time for Project Shit Meets Fan.

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TokyoSushi · 14/10/2019 17:27

Just a public service announcement to make sure that you all know that Parliament is sitting 09:30 - 14:30 on Saturday, so you'll need to do your jobs very early, or late!

ListeningQuietly · 14/10/2019 17:31

Tokyo
I and many other posters will be shouting in the street outside not watching it on telly Grin

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 14/10/2019 17:34

⭐️ Does anyone have any idea as to whether or not there will be another extension? (I'm trying to plan my shopping Grin)⭐️

TokyoSushi · 14/10/2019 17:38

Excellent work @ListeningQuietly

DGRossetti · 14/10/2019 17:42

I remember that conversation about how Brexit will affect holidays.

I think, like private motor transport, the days of foreign holidays are drawing to a close - certainly with air travel. At least for the plebs. I can't see Thomas Cook being around in 10 years time.

I think there is a graph somewhere - maybe yet to be drawn - where "progress" slows as a function of population beyond some midpoint. We would have noticed it sooner, but world wars masked it.

One for the mix Grin

JeSuisPoulet · 14/10/2019 17:49

I agree DGR - the BoE's announcement says as much IMO.

I also laughed catching up on the last threads as you said "Most of the pressure for him to abdicate came from people who hated the idea of an American divorcee anywhere near the throne. It was a different age then. Hard to imagine now." - I can only assume you were using a lot of irony here, considering Meghan? Grin

ARoomWithoutADoor · 14/10/2019 17:52

Well, my Mother will be pleased if we DO crash out with a no-deal Brexit.

That will learn those pesky foreigners who clog up the pavements in her home town, and the ones who lived next door who 'cooked curry day and night'. She just wants to relax and enjoy her Daily Fail.
She likes my exH who turned out to be very similar to his parents who moan about 'all the coloured people who messed up Birmingham'.

Might make it harder for her to visit her younger sister (living on her British pension in France) though.

I can't begin to understand Priti Patel. I try not to judge a person by their facial expression (I have an ASD Dd who looks very like Greta Thunberg) but PP does appear to be sneering at times :(

Are people meeting in London for a demo this Sat???

DGRossetti · 14/10/2019 17:55

I can only assume you were using a lot of irony here, considering Meghan?

One of the pleasures of this backwater of Mumsnet, is the general lack of constantly feeling I need to add "joke" to posts knowing that most people will apply a bit of grey matter before hitting the froth key.

That said, I have to admit (with only a mild sense of shame) that in forums where you need a lot of emoticons, I also enjoy posting without - just to amuse myself really.

Sometimes, when it's been a long tour, you need to put a bit in that's just for you Grin ...

Hoooo · 14/10/2019 17:58
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HeyNotInMyName · 14/10/2019 18:00

@ListeningQuietly thanks.
As an EU citizen in the U.K., it is nice to hear that.

54321go · 14/10/2019 18:02

I think, like private motor transport, the days of foreign holidays are drawing to a close
Well that will be several things sorted. You can all get the train (newly upgraded of course) to Skegness (which is so bracing), Blackpool, Bournemouth, Ilfracombe etc. so cutting down on flights drastically, boosting the economies of all those places and enjoying the finest the UK has to offer.

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Basilpots · 14/10/2019 18:05

Started a post yesterday with “what about MM and the utter crap written about her ?”yesterday, looked at who it was I was about to reply to, realised it was DG and thought nope that’s what he means anyway. Glad I haven’t read you wrong DG.

HeyNotInMyName · 14/10/2019 18:06

@54321go, if I remember well many people/leavers were actively looking forward to stay in the uk for their hols ‘as there are so many lovely places’ (ones they didn’t go to on hols though...)

FMFL · 14/10/2019 18:13

Late PMK!

JustAnotherPoster00 · 14/10/2019 18:16

Laura Pidcock MP
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I know some love the pomp, but when there are 14m people in poverty; when there are 1.6m foodbank parcels being handed out a year; when there are rough sleepers in every corner of our cities, I can’t help finding the opulence on display in Parliament today deeply uncomfortable.

54321go · 14/10/2019 18:23

HeyNotInMyName
There are indeed many nice places for holidays in the UK.
Maybe a resurgence of Butlins? One of their camps even had it's own railway station 'back in the day'
With a bit of 'global warming' maybe the sea might actually rise so you can see it in Southport.
A bit of healthy fresh air and exercise, will reduce the pressure on the NHS. Everyone's a winner.

NoWordForFluffy · 14/10/2019 18:34

Shhhh, 54321, I've lived here 11 years and only seen the sea actually in a handful of times! I don't need to see it; I'm happy with it being miles away.

BigChocFrenzy · 14/10/2019 18:37

Several women 'close to quitting SNP over gender recognition plans'

Online abuse of women within the SNP too - seems endemic in all parties
Joanna Cherry - who has been bringing the legal cases in the Scottish courts to stop No Deal - is one sufferer

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/oct/14/snp-women-close-to-quitting-gender-recognition-proposals-trans-rights-scotland

Senior Scottish National party MPs, MSPs and councillors have expressed concerns about proposed changes to gender recognition laws as they launched a pledge calling for women to have the right to discuss such policies.

Several women at the launch for the SNP women’s pledge said they were close to quitting the party

because of what they considered to be a refusal by officials to address concerns that women and girls could fall victim to predatory men or lose access to single-sex services.

Speaking on the panel, the anti-Brexit campaigner Joanna Cherry said she had faced significant abuse online for raising concerns.

While she said this came from “a small minority of people”, she said the controversy raised broader questions about how the party did business.

“There are serious questions about how we develop policy in the SNP and how we conduct debate,” she said.
“It’s important to disagree – we could do with more disagreement at times – but it has to be respectful.”

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dontcallmelen · 14/10/2019 18:47

PMK thank you as always.

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TheMShip · 14/10/2019 18:51

Nice summary on what losing a Queen's Speech vote means in practical terms from the Guardian live blog today:

Before the Fixed-term Parliaments Act was passed in 2011, the Queen’s speech vote counted as a confidence matter and a government that lost was expected to resign. That is what happened in 1886, 1892 and 1924. Those votes all took place after general elections, and on each occasion a new administration took power without another election being called.

The last election was more than two years ago and, if the FTPA was not on the statute book, you would expect Boris Johnson to respond to a defeat on the Queen’s speech by calling an election.

But, of course, that is not an option for him. Under the FTPA a government motion for an early election would need the support of two thirds of MPs in the Commons for it to have force, and Johnson has failed twice to get a motion passed meeting that threshold.

If Johnson does lose the vote, he might try again to force an early election. He could table a confidence motion in his own government (although it is hard to see what this would achieve), or he could table a no confidence motion and ask his MPs to abstain (because if a no confidence motion gets passed, and no other administration takes over within 14 days, an election has to happen under the FTPA). As well as being risky, this would be seen as an abuse of process and, although theoretically possible, it is possible that it could be disallowed by the Speaker.

But Johnson could also just ignore a vote against the Queen’s speech. A defeat like that would not stop him governing; it would not be like a vote against the budget, which would stop the government raising taxes. At the end of the Queen’s speech all MPs are actually voting on is a motion saying they should send a humble address to the Queen thanking her for attending parliament. If Johnson loses the vote, all that technically happens is that the Queen does not get the note. One less thing to read. She probably wouldn’t mind ...

UPDATE: David Howarth, a Cambridge law professor and former Lib Dem MP, has been in touch to say losing a vote on the Queen’s speech does have at least one practical effect. He explains:

You might be interested to know that there would be a practical consequence for the government of losing the motion on the address completely (as opposed to losing on an amendment to it).

Standing order 51 says that the government can’t move a ways and means resolution without notice unless the address has been agreed to. What this means is that if the government fails to get the address through the house, it can’t bring in emergency tax changes, e.g. to beat avoidance schemes, without letting the world know first, which might be very inconvenient in current circumstances.

Perhaps more important, that standing order could be amended by the house to say that the government can’t bring in a budget at all until the address has been passed, something it might do if Boris Johnson loses a vote on the Queen’s speech and then refuses to follow the convention that prime ministers defeated on the Queen’s speech should resign.

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