Westminstenders: Showdown

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Big week ahead.

Johnson has until Tuesday Afternoon to get his shit together for the EU.

He thinks it can be down, but still lots to do in that time.

This week we have the Queen's Speech too, which is going to be misused as a party political broadcast.

Remember if the government can't pass the QS, there's a crisis that gets generated as a direct result. Sticking in proposals that any liberal or leftie will struggle with, is deliberately provoking a crisis of that nature. A proposal of that type would have to be anti democratic in nature, like... Ermmm... Voter ID. Hell, well what do you know.

Johnson is still after his election because as it stands he's a passenger stuck in the runaway train of his own creation.

Talk of a deal breakthrough is still overstated too. The DUP and many of the usual ERG suspects have poured water on the idea. And many on the opposition benches are pushing hard on a confirmary ref being needed for a deal - they don't have the numbers yet, but talk is that they are close. We also have loyalist military making threats about an Irish Sea Border solution.

Time for Project Shit Meets Fan.

I used to only want reunification when there was a clear and large majority for it. That was the only way I could see it happen peacefully.

But now there isn’t a peaceful way ahead. It’s reunification or Loyalist-ascendancy.

Boris Johnson’s new immigration bill states that Irish citizens, who currently have the right to live and work in the UK,
will “generally” not require further leave to remain here after Brexit.

WTF does 'generally' mean. Deeply disturbing but sadly at this stage nothing surprises me.

Good luck trying to deport my auntie in her 80s from sheltered housing. She followed my late mum from Ireland to work in the newly created NHS because there weren't enough UK people to do it. And has lived and worked her all her life. Mind you, you'd have to get past my cousins and their kids first. And me and my siblings and their kids. And our other cousins.
"Generally " my arse.

WTF does 'generally' mean.

Could mean anything. Without having seen anything, I'm going to hazard a guess that it will be an attempt to sneak in a "as long as both your parents where British and you can prove it" sort of clause. No one will really notice (as it won't apply to a vast number of people) so it will be another "if you have nothing to hide ..." way of introducing the thin end of the wedge.

“Generally” will mean that Irish people who are on benefits in the UK, or who need expensive hospital treatments, will lose their current rights to remain. A move like that has been long predicted.

Boris Johnson’s new immigration bill states that Irish citizens, who currently have the right to live and work in the UK,
will “generally” not require further leave to remain here after Brexit.

I know I'm now bitter and twisted over all this but if only the two passionate English Leave voting families I know who have applied for and obtained Irish passports could have no right to live and work here.

It would have been impossible to implement if they’d accepted their GFA duty to treat people like me (born in Derry - never lived in ROI and neither have any immediate family) as Irish. By labelling us British are able to freely discriminate and “send home” to ROI those Irish not making a net contribution.
I bet Irish Travellers will be first on the hit list.

Boris Johnson’s new immigration bill states that Irish citizens, who currently have the right to live and work in the UK, will “generally” not require further leave to remain here after Brexit

Musing further, how does this square with the 1922 Common Travel Area ?

They support the CTA like they do the GFA. Which is to say, not at all.

They support the CTA like they do the GFA. Which is to say, not at all.

Has the RoI commented yet ?

I guess it's a little early for serious US commentators to have a look ....

@lonelyplanetmum I assume they will be ok as they are also British citizens as it is possible to have dual nationality.

Although I see where you are coming from. I have a leave voting IL who obtained an Irish passport to avoid any queues when travelling.





He is just spouting disjointed rude rubbish.Deriding extinction rebellion.

Irish citizens, who currently have the right to live and work in the UK,
will “generally” not require further leave to remain here after Brexit

The other thing that is wrong with that is the reference to UK. Surely it should be Great Britain? They can't deport Irish citizens anyway but even if they could, they can hardly deport Irish citizens from NI! I assume it is sloppy drafting in haste, but they are seriously a bunch of morons.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-50012504

An apposite quote from John le Carre who has a new book out:

"Politicians love chaos. Don't ever think otherwise. It gives them authority, and it gives them power. It gives them profile. The idea that they'll fix it for you." He despairs about what he believes is absolutism on the political right and left, libertarian and Leninist with the same objective. To start again after the chaos.

Watching Parliament now.

I have a leave voting IL who obtained an Irish passport to avoid any queues when travelling

I'm afraid I hope there really is a special place in hell for anyone who voted to remove my EU citizenship and associated rights from me whilst knowing full well they could retain their own. There are simply no words for the rage and disgust I feel for such people.

We’re one of those who thought sod it and booked a trip away to Europe over half term. Decided we couldn’t be arsed waiting around to see what was going to happen on “Brexit Day” (again).

Looking forward to a few days of sanity (but we are avoiding flying on Oct 31 / Nov 1).

Politicians love chaos. Don't ever think otherwise. It gives them authority, and it gives them power. It gives them profile. The idea that they'll fix it for you." He despairs about what he believes is absolutism on the political right and left, libertarian and Leninist with the same objective. To start again after the chaos. Absolutely. They're all loving it.

Icantreachthepretzels
Thank you for posting that. I would be banned (again) if I added any further embellishment.
leave voters should be prohibited from holidays in Europe.

I have enormous sympathy for the EU citizens here in the UK plugging the gaps in our labour market who are being vilified by Priti and her ilk.

I also have huge sympathy for Brits in mainland Europe who still do not know what hoops they will have to jump through
www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/14/britons-in-europe-face-citizens-rights-lottery-in-event-of-no-deal-brexit
but at least they are not getting vile hate mail from their local neighbours
as is being done to folks in the UK

^ Irish citizens, who currently have the right to live and work in the UK,
will “generally” not require further leave to remain here after Brexit^

I think this was predicted very early doors in these threads. Like others I imagine that'll hit people like my mother who, despite having lived, worked and contributed here for most of her adult life, is now disabled thanks to a combination of poor genetics and an epic fuck up from her GP. She is now on benefits. No private medical insurance either because being regarded as immediately settled meant she didn't think that she'd have needed that protection.

I remember that conversation about how Brexit will affect holidays. So many people I know have booked for the week before when our half term is and see it as their "last holiday for a while" until we all get a clue on what is actually going to happen.

Was considering getting a Gousto box this afternoon and then realised they won't have access to the varied fruit and veg either, so no point trying that! I forsee a lot of those delivery veg/meal in a box companies folding sharpish if we No Deal.