Ireland and your vote.

[RuggerHug]

I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

It did play a part in my vote, though I'd probably still have voted remain anyway. NI simply made me certain.

It was certainly discussed quite a bit my people round here (Liverpool area) as I remember being really surprised how many people dismissed any concerns as "scaremongering".

LibDems, SNP, Green all voted against the WA unanimously three times.

As did the ERG. Leavers who don’t want to leave

The UK will have to protect its own customs area to trade under WTO rules

WTO has advised they will not require either Ireland or UK to install a border. However, WTO does not have jurisdiction over EU border regulations.

Do it in the Irish Sea and it would be fine

DUP have stated that also breaks the GFA as it changes NI status without consent.

The DUP also say dinosaurs are a myth so pinch of salt with what they say.

As did the ERG

Jacob Rees Mogg and Boris Johnson voted for the WA third time around.

Mystery, are you the eejit who didnt know MEPs were elected?

Emerald Bonnie was certainly praised here for her kind and thoughtful words on Question Time.

Part of the reason I started this was after seeing the man in the audience ask in all seriousness if the EU would simply club together and buy the 6 counties to help the UK.

The DUP do not represent the majority in NI.

Rugger my mouth is agape at this one....
"Part of the reason I started this was after seeing the man in the audience ask in all seriousness if the EU would simply club together and buy the 6 counties to help the UK"

I saw the Bonnie Greer piece circulating, but didn't watch the programme, so this seriously shocks me.
Presumably if you go to Question Time, you have an interest in current affairs- so the level of (chosen) ignorance underlying that statement....well, I'm confounded.

Duchess I almost forgot the end, he said anyone who considers themselves British could be financially compensated to return to the mainland. Hope the Twitter link works..

twitter.com/MrNiallMcGarry/status/1180038185151324161?s=08

Also use of the word Eire

I appreciate that’s the least of his ignorance, but fucking annoying.

Sorry, me again , but ‘buying back’ counties.

I wonder how much he thought they’d cost, roughly?

Ah Rugger I hope, dear Lord Jesus, hope suspect that most people watching would have discounted everything that he said.

Rugger I actually hadn't realised that comment was made and had to look it up. OMG!!! Come here lads will we start a whip around now and get plans into motion.

I'm glad I'm not the only one horrified!

@RuggerHug , I did a double take on that bullshit. Surely no one said that on national TV....

Trouble is, this crap is being normalised and repeated "in the interests of balance ".

Bonnie Greer definitely went down a storm here ☘
Also on her racism comment in the UK.
Tbf I'd hate to live in the UK in this era looks like little has changed since No Irish from many Brexiters.

It wouldn't let me post the screenshot but you can buy Bonnie t-shirts now 😁

www.hairybaby.com/bonnie-says-tshirt

I'm regularly rolling my eyes at the lack of knowledge on Irish matters that I see on mumsnet but poster up thread who didn't seem to realise that the bit of Ireland that was affected by the 'troubles' (I detest that term) on a daily basis for 30 years was the bit that's in the UK really takes the biscuit.

I understand that not everyone can have studied Irish history in depth and I don't expect them to. But I think anyone exercising a vote, the outcome of which will change the history of their nation forever, should at the very least understand what their nation consists of.

And why is this blind spot only apparent with Ireland? You don't see people saying that they think the USA is still a colony, ruled from London. Or that they didn't realise that India and Pakistan are separate countries. Or they can't believe that Calais isn't still ruled by England.

people can’t be neighbours
Mystery, your grasp of the causes of the civil war in Ireland is as shaky as your understanding of the causes of WW1. And this comment, which you repeat regularly, is just as insulting as your remarks about the Holocaust.

Do you know where the Protestant population in Ireland came from or how colonial Irish society was structured in the 17th century and onwards?
Do you have any idea how much the cynicism of successive London-based governments contributed to the "inability" of the population of the island of Ireland to live in peace and harmony?
Do you know why the population in Ireland is so much smaller than that of England (which, in your eyes, means it should cease to have any rights, an idea so ludicrous it is not worth engaging with)?
Can you begin to imagine the dignified, difficult swallowing of grief and bitterness that had to be undertaken by the communities involved before the GFA could be voted on and signed?

In the space of a generation, the GFA put an end, precariously, to the loss of life and the injuries that had gone on for decades.

This is not an argument about an apple tree overhanging a garden or a spat over parking spaces and it is utterly tasteless to carry on making such statements in the face of overwhelming evidence to the contrary.

Love Hairy Baby stuff. We have one or two T-shirts from them in our house- mostly Father Ted related

isabellerossignol I've wondered that before too, what is it about us Irish that some British people can't get their head around not being in charge of? I've never heard one say that Canada or Aus is still the UK or essentially English but I've heard both comments about Ireland.

bellini They're amazing, have bought many a gift from them too😁😁😁

@AuldAlliance

Are you the same;

Offsoon, AuldAlliance, France that posts on DM?

Both US nuclear attacks on Japan and the holocaust happened last century. However, do you hear people in Japan complaining? US and Japan are big trade partners so it obviously hasn’t bothered either US or Japan.

Germany trades with the rest of the World. So it obviously does not bother other countries what happened.

Sweet Jesus mystery stop talking!!! Do you honestly think Germany would agree to an trade agreement that effectively put a border between West and East Germany? The EU and Ireland has no issue trading and doing deals with the uk. It's issue is that this deal will put a border on the island of Ireland and go against the GFA which worked because both the UK and Ireland were in the EU.

So right isabelle
"why is this blind spot only apparent with Ireland? You don't see people saying that they think the USA is still a colony, ruled from London."
I've sat gobsmacked in a car, with a very lovely co-worker as we chatted about this and that...
Then proceeded to ask "and, you still belong to us, don't you?".

But, it's a long standing attitude that you can see in documents through the centuries if you care to go and look.
I'm absolutely not of the ilk that harks back to the Famine and "the wrong they done us". But, to read the Cabinet memos of the time, is absolutely gut churning.
I don't care that it was the 1840's- this was in an era when people were discussing the abolition of slavery, women's rights. So, it was not an unenlightened age of savagery.
Unless, you were British and referring to Ireland, when, the evidence shows, you could refer to the native Irish is absolutely animalistic terms.
They (we, my ancestors) were vermin, which needed to be culled.

There is no monopoly on human suffering (she says, to forestall the bots who will say they have no responsibility for what happened then, and that English/Welsh/Scottish had it just as bad).

The difference is, that those attitudes are rightly abhorrent to most people today.
Unless (again) you are British and refer to Ireland.