Ireland and your vote.

[RuggerHug]

I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

[prettybird]

@LoyaltyBonus - go back and read the whole thread (ignore the posts from MysteryTripAgain to make it quicker - he just regurgitates lots of crap words, although the responses from those that can be bothered reading his posts are worthwhile rebuttals of his nonsense ) and you'll find a good explanation of the issues and that it was brought up in advance of the Referendum (by Blair, Major and even Cameron in the HoC amongst others) but dismissed as "Project Fear" or just not reported in the UK MSM

[blubberyboo]

The facts that you refer to might affect NI, but not UK mainland. Hence reported in Irish media, but not UK mainland media

Obviously it HAS affected GB ( not UK mainland) as we’ve not been able to sort it for 3 years

Remember the referendum was for UK to leave the EU NOT Great Britain on its own

Therefore the media should have been reporting to everyone within UK on how it would affect them in the context of the whole country and everyone should have been thinking that way

If they didn’t they don’t have my sympathy

Hope the weather is good in Asia by the way!

[MysteryTripAgain]

a good explanation of the issues and that it was brought up in advance of the Referendum (by Blair, Major and even Cameron in the HoC amongst others) but dismissed as "Project Fear" or just not reported in the UK MSM hmm

NI and GFA were not referenced in the £9 Million spent on leaflets sent to each household in the UK. Nor were they mentioned on the government website eureferendum. These are indisputable facts. Even Bellinisurge has acknowledged that to be true.

If NI and GFA were considered to be important issues, why did the remain campaign lead by Cameron omit these subjects from the hugely expensive leaflet paid for by taxpayers? Why were they not referenced on the government websites.

More significantly if NI and GFA were paramount why was the vote in NI not 100% remain?

Answer that one remain supporters.

[MysteryTripAgain]

Obviously it HAS affected GB ( not UK mainland) as we’ve not been able to sort it for 3 years

Not sorted because of arrogant MPs who think their personal opinion takes priority over a majority vote. Biggest culprits are;

Labour trying to force a general election

LibDems whose leader, Jo Swinson, has said even if there was another vote to leave it would be ignored.

SNP who think the Scottish vote takes priority over the overall vote. They seem to forget that the number of people who voted leave is three times greater than the entire population of Scotland.

Therefore the media should have been reporting to everyone within UK on how it would affect them in the context of the whole country and everyone should have been thinking that way

Media promoted the following;

Immigration was destroying the UK
UK gives £50 million per day to the EU
Barrier, Juncker are not elected.

No reference to NI or GFA in UK mainland media.

[DioneTheDiabolist]

Nah, not sorted because the whole thing was a pig in a poke. The Leave that Leavers voted for could never be delivered because it was a contradictory shambles of all things to all Leavers.

[MysteryTripAgain]

Even bigger pig in a poke now that Johnson has sent three letters to the EU!

I thought the proposed deal that kept NI in EU customs to solve the border problem was fair. Seemed to be the best way forward.

[BlaueLagune]

I'm in England and we weren't taught anything about the Irish troubles at school

I'm not sure how old you are but I'm surprised even if you're 10 years younger than me that you wouldn't have known about the Bishopsgate/Baltic Exchange or Canary Wharf bombings or those in Warrington or Manchester...

When I was a child/in my teens there was news every night about someone getting murdered in Northern Ireland - either unionist or nationalist, tit for tat, all the time.

People didn't need to learn it in school, it wasn't history, it was current affairs! Now of course it is different (or at least it was history, since 2016, not so much).

I did a work placement in a law firm in London in the early 90s. Their office was affected by two IRA bombs, one not so bad, the other meant they had to move out (not the target, just near the bomb).

The current deal (and May's deal) could have made a real difference in NI. It's not a well-off area due to being starved of investment for so long. But a special economic zone of sorts with a foot in both UK and EU camps could be really attractive for investors. And comfortably off people with decent jobs don't generally get drawn into terrorism, either.

Of course the best deal of all the one we already have.

[BlaueLagune]

What shocked me, and still does, that parliament voted to trigger Article 50, and May's government triggered it, while NI had (and has) no government.