Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

Do we listen to the minority vote now? I thought we didn't give a shit?

Just like Mystery, you are also making the case to revoke, we clearly didn't have the interest or intellect to make this sort of decision

Entitlement to vote is not based on interest. If someone is of voting age and registered to vote then they can vote if they choose. 13 million eligible voters in UK chose, as is their right, not to vote.

Your reference to intellect is outrageous. That goes back to the days when only wealthy educated people could vote.

Whether someone is CEO of a major multinational company or is working part time on minimum wage, they both have the same right to vote.

Interesting that there is an assumption that CEO of major international company has greater intellect than someone working part time on minimum wage. I would never have assumed that to be the case based on my own experience.

Do we listen to the minority vote now? I thought we didn't give a shit?

Not the point being made. If a return to the previously seen troubles is a 100% certainty why did anyone in NI at all vote leave?

I would never have assumed that to be the case based on my own experience

So you have at some point in your life been both a CEO of a multi national and someone who worked on minimum wage?

Maybe you are a self made entrepreneur? Well done if that's the case.

Not the point being made. If a return to the previously seen troubles is a 100% certainty why did anyone in NI at all vote leave?

Because they believed the DUP who told them it was the only way to secure the union. If the choice came down to a peaceful existence ruled by Ireland, or a tumultuous dangerous existence ruled by the UK there are still large swathes of people who would choose the UK.

Not the point being made.

Where 's the pot-kettle smiley when you need it?

@AuldAlliance

And your point is?

If a return to the previously seen troubles is a 100% certainty why did anyone in NI at all vote leave?
The DUP told them.
To force a border poll.
They were told they'd go to Hell if they didnt.
They are terrorists / terrorist affiliates.
They believed the Bus.
They carefully considered the options and decided Leave was best.

From what I've read and listened to regarding the minority Leave vote in NI - Some will voted Leave because they actively want a Hard Border and to tear up GFA (prevent unification) and some will have voted Leave in the hope that the Border issues (predicted and publicised as discussed earlier) would trigger a Border poll which would facilitate reunification. So either end of a spectrum.

Majority obviously wants to Remain.

Mumsnetters from NI and the Republic will have a more informed view obviously and should correct me if I've misinterpreted.

So your upset about people's intellect being questioned but not worried about people's lives being at risk. Your outrage is severely misplaced.

They were told they'd go to hell??? Is that true

They were told they'd go to hell??? Is that true

Yes, that's true. Some of the churches were preaching that God's judgement would be on those who didn't vote for Brexit. The leave vote was strongest in the North Antrim area which is known as the Bible Belt.

So your upset about people's intellect being questioned but not worried about people's lives being at risk. Your outrage is severely misplaced

If DioneTheDiabolist post is even remotely correct might need to reconsider?

If a return to the previously seen troubles is a 100% certainty why did anyone in NI at all vote leave?

Your question was answered a few posts ago... they didn't consider it/were watching Love island.

Not everyone in NI supported the GFA, the DUP certainly didn't

NI and Ireland should thrash out some sort of agreement themselves

God that is brilliant. Wish someone had thought of that before. Wait --- they did! It is called the Good Friday Agreement.

And it isn't Irish people who will start shooting. It is UK citizens. The war will mostly be on UK territory. The cost of paying for it will come out of UK taxpayers pockets - that includes people of Great Britain as well.

I don't know why I am so shocked but I really am.
Brexit as a religious cause.

as a religious cause

So it has finally emerged that troubles in NI are down to religion.

Jaysus you dont half talk some shite.

More ridiculous ignorance.
Shock horror- some people in NI are religious extremists. Most aren't.

I imagine it's the same level of knowledge that didn't know who Simon Coveney is and who thinks Germany wants to take over the world.

And who didnt know that MEPs are elected.😂

The cost of paying for it will come out of UK taxpayers pockets - that includes people of Great Britain as well.

It seems ridiculous that Leave campaign constantly point out the cost of EU membership while ignoring the billions funding given to NI and backhanders given to the DUP. I have yet to see what it would cost to implement BJs recent two borders proposal would be, along with the costs of extra security, technology and financial support for those farmers and businesses that would go to the wall.

Your reference to intellect is outrageous. That goes back to the days when only wealthy educated people could vote

Nonsense!
We aren't talking about voting per se, leaving the EU is a specific decision, requiring knowledge and expertise.
A GE is voting in MPs to make these decisions for us, if they mess up, we vote them out at the next GE.

It saddens me that you cannot distinguish between the two.

We aren't talking about voting per se, leaving the EU is a specific decision, requiring knowledge and expertise

So how would people be tested for knowledge and expertise before they were given permission to vote?