Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

This, on the other hand, is what Mr Johnson said in February 2016

He told the BBC a Brexit would leave arrangements on the Irish border "absolutely unchanged

I thought he was still a remainer in Feb 2016. But anyway, at that time there was no suggestion that we'd be leaving the SM or CU, so he was probably, for maybe the only time in his life, telling the truth as he saw it at the time.

And back to topic.

Yes OP, NI was very important to my vote. I live in NI. I knew that industrial plants this side of the border were at risk. I knew some of the problems our farmers and food manufacturers would have. And I was very aware of the benefit to UK terrorists in NI.

I thought he was still a remainer in Feb 2016. But anyway, at that time there was no suggestion that we'd be leaving the SM or CU, so he was probably, for maybe the only time in his life, telling the truth as he saw it at the time

Quoting what was said before the referendum is a bit pointless as all based on the assumption that the result would be an easy remain victory.

Just like Mystery, you are also making the case to revoke
It was a stupid idea to ask people to vote on something so nuanced with so many serious implications. It’s obvious that people aren’t going to consider all the potential issues and will vote based on self interest. It should never have been done.

BUT that doesn’t mean it should be revoked. It’s done now and it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Revoking it at this point is not the same as not having done it in the first place.

BUT that doesn’t mean it should be revoked. It’s done now and it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Revoking it at this point is not the same as not having done it in the first place.

If this is true (and I don't necessarily disagree) then it is all the more important for the U.K. government to take responsibility - as someone pointed out down-thread, we are talking about the lives of U.K. citizens and any money spent on policing a militarised border will be U.K. tax payers' money.

BUT that doesn’t mean it should be revoked. It’s done now and it’s too late to put the genie back in the bottle. Revoking it at this point is not the same as not having done it in the first place

Fantastic reply.

I need to check MN guidelines, but there must be surely be a place in the many companies I deal with for someone who is so down to earth and accurate and can articulate well.

as someone pointed out down-thread, we are talking about the lives of U.K. citizens and any money spent on policing a militarised border will be U.K. tax payers' money

If Ireland installs a border in accordance with the EU laws why is that UK cost?

No, it's not too late. Why should we continue off a cliff if we dont have to?

No, it's not too late. Why should we continue off a cliff if we dont have to?

Off a cliff is another example of scaremong from remain supporters. UK treasury forecast job loses of between 500,000 and 800,000 just by voting to leave. Never happened.

Ah, WhatAboutOva is going back to the old "Project Fear" narrative...

Again, there's a bit of drive yourself off the cliff if you really want but let us out of the car first.

Don't be Richard in Corrie with the canal.

So how would people be tested for knowledge and expertise before they were given permission to vote?

If you re going to ask specific questions, then yes.

The NI situation illustrates this perfectly exactly why the general population just isn't qualified.

Revoking it at this point is not the same as not having done it in the first place

A sign of maturity is to be able to stop, pause, re-evaluate and change course if necessary.... just as the Govt is doing over HS2.

Sure things can't go back as they were & tbh we'd not want them too but we can mitigate this disaster & learn

Gawd can you imagine if they’d done a referendum on HS2. (And the point is - they wouldn’t)

It would be a real irony if De Pfellel overturned the referendum, given that it was his brother, Jo Johnson, who overturned that other great all-binding referendum to name the vessel "Boaty McBoatface"...

What about the UK government own reports that have stated that it will cost businesses 15 billion a year alone to fill in custom forms to trade with the EU.<a class="break-all" href="https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=www.ft.com/content/30c58758-e91e-11e9-a240-3b065ef5fc55&ved=2ahUKEwj47de07Y_lAhWnUhUIHTYiBS4QxfQBMAB6BAgHEAQ&usg=AOvVaw3SzCTT7wkIG-xpqU8XiVqE" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">this
Is that scaremongering???

So it has finally emerged that troubles in NI are down to religion
Mystery you are either deliberately obtuse or goady.
If Ireland installs a border in accordance with the EU laws why is that UK cost?
Again you understand what a border means, how both sides of the border need to be managed, it won't be any old border it will require army surveillance 24/7.
Do you know how many trucks cars and buses cross the border daily?
Or maybe you may suggest nothing comes in or out of NI to the republic.
Finish the people off together by closing down cross border trade, agricultural trade you're all heart.

Jobs lost since Brexit - just for WhatAboutOva...

The absolute ignorance on this thread is breathtaking. Anyone who is (or claims to Be) 40 would have to know about the terrorist attacks in mainland Britain during the Troubles. I grew up watching it all on the news and I'm 38. And tbh the it doesn't affect me argument doesn't wash, have people no concern for their fellow humans? And as for it's an Irish problem - get to fuck will you. We didn't cause this shit. And we'll do all we can to minimise the consequences of it.

Holly it gets less breathtaking the more you read it on MN. Every single thread on brexit or on NI is incredible in its depth of ignorance of UK history and understanding of the effect of the suspension of the GFA on the UK. It is seen entirely as an Irish problem yet even at the height of the troubles the problem was in NI - part of the UK - not Ireland.

By the way - when people on here read the news about Kashmir at the moment , do you ever stop to think how the partition and exit designed by Britain has contributed to that?

If not (and I don't expect most of you to since you don't know the history and context of part of your own country that is a few miles away rather than an ex-colony thousands of miles away) this gives some context.

www.nytimes.com/2019/01/17/opinion/sunday/brexit-ireland-empire.html

Palliser read here a fair bit. I don't post too much but this crap is too much. Yet people saying it's Ireland's problem. It is yeah like.
Dunno if you live in ROI bit we have a saying here: shower of cunts. Fairly accurate here I think.

What's wonderful for us who understand is, we don't need to be dragged into the troll. The 'religion' argument was addressed and sorted in 15 seconds in an episode of Derry girls. We just say season 1 episode 4, and we explain why that argument is balls. We don't need to feed the bot😉

I can't take this thread seriously anymore. Two hilarious posts;

Apparently some in NI voted leave as they were told if they did not they would go to hell and believed it to be true.

Apparently voters (all 45 million) should be tested on their knowledge and expertise on NI before they are allowed to vote. That takes the trophy for the funniest post ever on MN.

Imagine trying to organize examinations for 45 million people?

Who sets the questions?

Who marks the answers?
Who sets the pass mark?
Which law states people must pass an examination before they are allowed to vote?

That has to be the most ridiculous suggestion ever. Hahahaha.

Anyhoo .... I wonder which NW England town/city Varadkar and Johnson are meeting in today. Johnson in Liverpool would be interesting after his insults to Liverpudlians.

Wonder if any progress is made? All seems to be going around in a circle.

Given that we in NW England are among the most directly affected in England by the destruction of GFA, that might explain why Liverpool and Manchester voted Remain. Sadly, I am just outside Manchester in what was a strong Leave area. That said, local FB groups, normally a hotbed of Brexiteers (including MP page) has gone a bit quiet. More posts from Remain supporters. Not me though.