Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

LadyAndiBella At all? Do you mind me asking if you wish you had or if it has changed your mind at all?

Do you live in NI bella?

God you can always tell a daily express and daily mail readers can't you. You know everything they write isn't true caringcarer? Try reading articles from neutral news sites, it will open your mind. I just read on sky that the think tank have come out and said that a no deal Brexit will force the UK to borrow a 100 billion a year, the amount of posts that call it rubbish and scaremongering is unbelievable.
Honestly I think there is no saving brexitters, they would have been on the Titanic saying it's grand, it's unsinkable.

@caringcarer Varadkar cannot concede to any proposals that would make the Irish government complicit in the deterioration of peace in NI. This may happen anyway but the blame for this will lie squarely with those who decided to trample all over an international peace treaty and those who put political ambitions and party politics above the best interests of their own citizens.

It is very alarming that DUP are espousing a Hard Brexit for NI when most don't want it at all. They have been called out on it many times for not representing the majority in NI, but continue to bluff and bluster
Yes extetremly alarming the DUP want to wear the same matching pyjamas as the mainland at any cost because they identify as English as much as unionist, some DUP supporters claim to be more English than the English.
Vote Leo out
Once again you have no control over Ireland. I am very proud of the strength Leo has shown.
BJ looked like he'd been on an all night session when he was here, incapable of using a comb or tucking in his shirt.

I wrote to Leo Varadkar when he was minister for health about services for my Daughter, he wrote back and forwarded my letter to the appropriate services, it may have been his secretary though he signed it.

Even those who don't particular rate Leo's performance domestically have been very happy with how he and Coveney have handled Brexit.

It's been a source of great pride to see them stand up for their principles and the welfare of the country (including N.I.) in a strong, mature fashion.

The contrast with the shambolic antics of the British couldn't be starker.

Well, there was an election the following year which gave, frankly, and "undecided" decision. So there you go. Thank you for accepting that

How does the result of the 2017 General Election change the result of the 2016 referendum? Both major parties, Conservatives and Labour, committed in their manifestos to honour the result of the 2016 referendum.

Ey up, Mystery has clocked on. Prepare for some more ignorant bullshit bestowed from afar. Literally afar.

I am intimately aware of the history, how that makes the votes of Northern Irish people worth more than the votes of other people in the union I don’t understand

I don't understand that logic either. How can anyone's vote carry more weight than someone else's vote?

@3dogs2cats I want for the whole of UK including NI to be out of EU, to no longer have to pay into the EU budgets as one of only 5 net contributors, to no longer have to take orders from ECJ, not to have UK troops taking part in EU army, to be able to set our own tariffs and trade with all countries in world, to set immigration at level that works for us, to have our country acting for the benefit of the UK not the EU. I have read today that if there is a no deal Brexit which looks increasingly likely that RoI will have 60% medicine shortages. Time to agree to a deal or dump Leo. All sides need to compromise not just UK.,

Told you

@caringcarer , you don't get to "dump Leo" because it's none of your damn business who is in government in another country.

Why should another country ‘compromise’ to make your life easier caring?

It’s not 1850 any more you know.

The blackmail threats are disgusting btw.

So what is the conclusion of this thread? Any progress made?

you don't get to "dump Leo" because it's none of your damn business who is in government in another country

I agree. Leo is in the most difficult of positions. The country he represents will be affected deal or no deal.

"So what is the conclusion of this thread?"

Well, so far, that you're a very unpleasant person, and that uncaringcarer is even thicker than you are.

Why should another country ‘compromise’ to make your life easier caring?

As Ireland are party to the GFA they are drawn into Brexit. Also as a member of EU they have EU regulations to consider as well. Difficulty arises as EU and GFA are not in alignment if either Ireland or UK leaves EU. A possibility that was overlooked when Article 50 was agreed in 2009.

It’s not 1850 any more you know

Assume you are referring to the potato famine. A huge loss of life. Estimated that over 1 million starved and another 1 million left Ireland. However, since then they have been even more horrific events, but World seems to been able to move on?

The blackmail threats are disgusting btw

Happening on both sides. A regular threat from remain supporters is that US will not enter into trade discussions in the event of no deal, etc. Not that two wrongs make a right.

Well, so far, that you're a very unpleasant person, and that uncaringcarer is even thicker than you are

How do comments like that answer the OPs question?

I want for the whole of UK including NI to be out of EU, to no longer have to pay into the EU budgets as one of only 5 net contributors, to no longer have to take orders from ECJ, not to have UK troops taking part in EU army, to be able to set our own tariffs and trade with all countries in world, to set immigration at level that works for us, to have our country acting for the benefit of the UK
Sounds delightful.
Though wanting and getting are very different things.
How do you think the government can achieve any of this when they can't agree on anything.
Wishful thinking is good for the soul though. 🤣

A regular threat from remain supporters is that US will not enter into trade discussions in the event of no deal, etc

That’s hardly of the same order as ‘we’re going to hold the prospect of medicine shortages over you to get our way’ now is it. Nasty bullies a gogo.

Assume you are referring to the potato famine.

More the general colonialist ‘roll over and let yourself get fucked’ tone.

How do you think the government can achieve any of this when they can't agree on anything

This is why no deal is looming. Remain and cancel Brexit MPs will vote against any Withdrawal Agreement. Hence a deal can't be made.

caring you realise Ireland is a leading producer of medicines? This is the Priti Vacant speech about threatening to starve us if we don't bend over but with medicine instead of food.

"How do comments like that answer the OPs question?"

I wasn't, I was answering yours.

You haven't really helped with people answering the OPs question, by claiming that anyone who isn't Irish isn't allowed to care about it. I realise that most Quitlings particularly when they don't live anywhere near the country anyway seem to be excessively selfish, but fortunately not everyone is as nasty a piece of work as you are.