Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

@LaurieMarlow I live and work in NI.

@bellinisurge I am intimately aware of the history, how that makes the votes of Northern Irish people worth more than the votes of other people in the union I don’t understand.

i live and work in NI

I don’t believe you.

Still firmly of the belief that you’ve never stepped foot in the place.

Late to the conversation but to answer your questions Irish living in the UK here and NI was the main reason for voting Remain.

Throughout the referendum I mentioned NI in Brexit discussions with friends and colleagues. The general response was indifference and many just didn't see what the big deal was as it was not their problem if 'paddy's want to kill each other'. This is reflected in the frankly ignorant and disrespectful comments about Ireland and NI in the media and by the government.

Irish politicians have behaved with patience and dignity repeatedly reminding the UK of their responsibility for their own citizens in NI.

You wouldn't say such stupid shit if you lived there. There's a reason both communities in NI voted Remain. Which you would understand if you actually lived there.

Again, who do DUP represent?

It is obvious that Johnson has to placate them. Why though, when he is minus those loyal Tories he kicked out already and does not have anything like a majority in the Commons now. He may be looking to a post election set up I suppose. Using DUP for now, but will discard them PDQ if things go his way and he gets a working majority without them.

But to me DUP are bigots and hate anything that would improve NI standards of living ever in order to follow their cause. Or get more money. It is not credible. They really cannot justify their stance, well only to their core voters.

They know Alliance are romping up the polls. The DUP come across as idiots with a lot of baggage and a one track mind.

Who are they representing is my question?
The DUP represent loyalist paramilitaries who stand to make a pretty penny from smuggling revenue post Brexit.

"Until the 2016 referendum result is overturned by a vote that produces a different result, the 2016 result remains in force."

Well, there was an election the following year which gave, frankly, and "undecided" decision. So there you go. Thank you for accepting that!

As for not accepting that anyone who doesn't have a direct connection to Ireland not caring about the GFA - I think that shows your uncaring, inhumane mentality. I don't have any close links to the place (apart from being caught in a few bomb scares in London), but I still consider not letting people be killed and maimed something worthy of my consideration.

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Doris Thank you for that.

Thank you, but it really shouldn't be something remarkable that thinking about your fellow humans is regarded as unusual.

I think that Brexit has really showed how heartless some people are.

And they are trying to post smugly on these threads...

I was trying not to get drawn in, but I'd like to back up Doris.

Suggesting that anyone who expresses concerns at undermining the GFA and has no direct blood ties with Ireland or NI is merely using the GFA as an excuse for overriding the Brexit referendum result is insulting and simplistic.

I don't think anyone should feel obliged to brandish their lineage/residency history to justify why they might consider the GFA to be a vital and quite unique achievement of peace, accomplished despite huge difficulties and thanks to great compromises, and one that should not be brushed aside as an inconvenience.

Particularly as we're being asked to "prove" our Irish "credentials" by someone who is a Russian bot doesn't even live withing 5000 miles of the UK, and obviously doesn't give the slightest shit about anyone living there!

Really Mystery, just fuck off.

As a NI native, I don’t particularly care if the respect shown for the GFA is purely altruistic or not.

I’d far prefer that people raise it as an issue and talk about the importance of respecting it than the alternative, which is not doing any of that.

I voted remain with NI uppermost in my mind. I was totally horrified by the arrangement with the DUP after 2017 and wrote to my MP , begging the Conservative Party to be careful. I expect they thought I was an obsessive , no one seemed to be considering the implications. My Mother was from NI, and the GFA has been so transformational. How politicians can risk it is just beyond me.
Still good to see that The Union means so much to all the patriots.

@3dogs2cats

So correct about the patriotism

Brexiteers shout about patriotism and wave the Union Jack in threads but then you see like minded folk on question time suggesting that Great Britain “sells 6 counties back to Eire”

Yay way to go 🇬🇧 🇬🇧

They don’t seem to realise that that in itself goes against the very question in the referendum that they so fiercely defend

“should the UK leave the EU or remain in the EU”

It didn’t say “should Great Britain leave the EU or remain in the EU”

If you dump NI out of the union there is no more union. The UK is defunct with only GB left. Therefore the referendum question is null and void.

Never mind history lessons..a few geography ones would do no harm either

I voted to leave EU and no I did not focus specifically on NI as Trimble had said it could be worked out with a will on all sides. It seems RoI want it all their own way. DUP have made compromises as has UK under Boris deal but RoI still refusing anything but backstop keeping UK locked into EU alignment until EU decides |UK can leave. I think it will be tough on NI if we leave with no deal as they will be worst affected that is why they would do well to compromise with Boris whist they still have the opportunity. I have a close friend who grew up on border of RoI and NI and she says both groups of Catholics and Protestants would use any excuse to start up the troubles again. People also are not recognising the Good Friday agreement recognises NI as part of UK. Barnier seems to conveniently refuse to recognise this. I would say vote Leo out and vote in a person who would compromise for a deal to benefit all.

Vote Leo out of what?
Being Prime Minister of another country?

Who do you think could do that?

Certainly not anyone in Northern Ireland
Scotland maybe?

OP all you have to do is look back on the Brexit thread from 2016 and you will realise NI was barely given a mention other than in passing when referring to possibility of Scotland going again for independence and how NI might follow them ( and everyone guffawed)

Oh how unbelievably sad!

I don't actually see why Ireland should be expected to compromise on anything since they're not the ones who want to leave. The onus is surely on the UK to do the compromising.

that is why they would do well to compromise with Boris whist they still have the opportunity

We did all our compromising in 1998 thanks when we agreed to let our murderers loose and live among us ,taking a chance they wouldn’t just shoot us a bit more. But thanks for forgetting that.

Ordinary people in NI have nothing to do with the ongoing negotiations. Those are between your elected Prime Minister ( we don’t get to vote for the prime minister over here) and the leaders of all the other EU states

We are just waiting patiently for all this new fangled technology to be installed as promised in 2016. We are so excited. It might even mean that we get 5G before Bristol. 🤛. Will we all get a free iPhone 10 to track our trips to Penneys in Letterkenny?

"Vote Leo out"
You do realise that we don't get to vote in other countries' elections don't you?
The level of ridiculousness from people trying to defend the indefensible on here is ... well, I'd say "hilarious" but it is tragic.
They seem to think that this is just another obscure piece of bollocks trotted out by "Remoaners" to prevent their dreams from coming true.
If it wasn't for the consequences to GFA, I would say, fuck 'em, I hope they get everything that's coming to them. Only the need to protect GFA keeps me trying to fight against No Deal on here.

caringcarer The utter arrogance of your post. This is what the residents of the island of Ireland are talking about when they say that people in GB don’t understand and don’t give a shit

Bloody hell caringcarer you really haven't got a fucking clue about any of this do you?

We compromised in 1921 and 1998. Why should we now?

Person A: I've decided, I want your house and car, hand over the keys.
Person B: Why would I do that? You've no right to my property.
Person A: Fine, a compromise, I'll just take your car!
Person B: Eh.....no. No compromise, this is just you having an odd turn. Go home and we'll say no more.

@caringcarer. Both sides have had any number of “excuses” to start up the troubles again, the CashforAsh scandal, the suspension of Stormont, the Republic voting in liberal laws, the deal between the Conservatives and the DUP, and now all this nonsense with the border. The people of NI really want peace, and jobs and healthcare, a future for their children. I guess that’s why they voted to remain.
What do you want?

I am Irish.
Ireland did not come into my thoughts at all in 2016 vote