Ireland and your vote.

[RuggerHug]

I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

That’s hardly of the same order as ‘we’re going to hold the prospect of medicine shortages over you to get our way’ now is it. Nasty bullies a gogo

Anti Brexit MPs in UK make the same statements. Watch any episode of Question Time over the last few months and you will hear that comment.

More the general colonialist ‘roll over and let yourself get fucked’ tone

How? Nobody is saying what happened between 1845 and 1850 was acceptable. Blame seems to be pointed at UK government for failure to take action. Largest loss of life since the Napoleonic wars.

Try reading articles from neutral news sites, it will open your mind.

The Labour Party don't come out of that report very well;

"Citi, said that remaining in the EU would be the best outcome for economic growth."

"However, if this happened under a Labour government committed to carrying out its policies on tax, nationalisation, share ownership and labour policy regulation, it was impossible to say whether the net effect would be better or worse than leaving the EU with a more “growth-friendly” set of policies."

Leaving the EU with a deal under the Conservatives could be better than staying in the EU under Labour.

Ok so we have an estate of houses, mostly detached but there's 2 semis. House A wants to move but still wants to stay in the area. They like the library, schools, medical centre and everything there. They want to get kicked out so they start bonfires in their garden, letting the place go rotten, piling rubbish outside and generally being unpleasant. They want next door(House B) to buy them out. Why? I don't want your gaff, you've ruined it but once you do move out the whole estate will club together to make it nice so another family can move in? House A says 'You have to. It'll lower the cost of your place as long as we're here, you have to pay us off!!'

House B explains they don't intend moving.

House A whines that they made shite of their place assuming they'd be out by now so House B has to pay. For House As stupid plan.

House B says get in the sea, House A complains to anyone who will listen that it's House Bs fault they have to shit in their garden and have rats in all the rooms because House B won't compromise and pay them for being dicks.

It's House As problem. Alone.

Jesus, we have a Clav/Mystery combo now on this thread. More nonsense ahead.

by claiming that anyone who isn't Irish isn't allowed to care about it

No such statement was ever made.

I believe that those who; live, or have lived on the island of Ireland and anyone who was affected by the troubles or has family connection that were affected genuinely support the GFA.

Others I don't trust they genuine, but think they have found a way to cancel a vote they don't like. Look at the leaflet that was sent to every household in the UK. There is no reference to GFA.

Ah, because nobody ever did any research themselves about what the impact might be before the referendum. I see.

Well, it's pretty obvious that most Quitlings didn't do the slightest bit of research, so I can see why you would think that nobody else did...

Jesus, we have a Clav/Mystery combo now on this thread. More nonsense ahead.

You might be right - my head is spinning having just read RuggerHug's latest post. I need a coffee.

Because no one could possibly care about the safety and concerns of another. It must be false empathy, no other option, does not compute.

Join the border and get in the sea Mystery.

Few remainers are expecting a cancellation of the result of the vote. Grow up and read what people are writing, stop deflecting and stirring in order to deviate from real issues. What remain voters are hoping for is a brexit that doesn’t completely fuck over the country, including NI. It is legitimate and right to care about the citizens of NI and ROI. The thing that all no deal supporters have in common is not giving a shit about the citizens of NI and ROI . They would not support no deal if they did. You can try and discredit the GFA, remainers and any other people or organisation you like in an effort to make yourself feel better about your choices and views, or to con others into supporting you if that is your aim, but the fact is that anyone who advocates no deal is an arrogant twat who does not give a shit about anyone on the island of Ireland and no amount of bullshitting will demonstrate otherwise.

@RuggerHug

House A could be rented after the occupants have moved elsewhere in the area until someone buys House A.

Clav Apologies I've had 5 coffees today and only just caught up on the thread, I may have gone a bit off trying to simplify the 'We have no obligation to sort out your cock up' analogy.

some DUP supporters claim to be more English than the English.

I grew up in a very DUP area (back in the days when the DUP were the lunatic side party with few MPs) and I live in a different area now, but still very unionist, and I've never actually heard anyone say anything like this. They generally don't trust England at all, or even like them much, not least because they're mostly descended from Scottish people, not English. But they do feel a weird loyalty to the Queen herself.

It's quite a strange mindset. It's a sense of not belonging anywhere, knowing that the English despise them and see them as Irish, whilst desperately wanting to be part of the gang.

Aye Mystery but the stubborn buggers won't fuck off until they're paid to go somewhere else. That's why they're stuck in shite while everyone else has pity because they're obviously having some sort of a breakdown. They won't leave until they've somewhere on Unicorn Lane bought for them by the neighbours.

Unicorn Lane hasn't got planning permission or blueprints or a site but y'know, that's not their fault.

See, I think the interrupters have achieved exactly what they set out to do.....so many posters are busy engaging with them.

You asked interesting questions Rugger.
If you don't mind I'll C&P

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here)

In all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

@Beacon

A deal is better than no deal, but the actions of remain and cancel Brexit MPs prevents a deal. Take a look at the results of the three votes on T May's withdrawal agreement. SNP and LibDems voted against the WA three times unanimously. Likewise the maximum number of Labour MPs why supported the WA was five.

Even Boris Johnson and Jacob Rees Mogg voted for the WA third time around.

No WA = No deal.

Ta DuchessDumbarton. I'm somewhat remembering why I didn't try this before, luckily there's enough decent folk around sharing.

@RuggerHug

Can't work out the point you are making? Has anyone suggested that the people on the island of Ireland leave?

No,just that we should sort our your cock up. Compromise and fuck ourselves over because some Brits are at it again. Some.

Oh good Rugger I was worried that you might think I was hijacking.
But, there are several posters on this thread who arrive on every Brexit thread...and starting throwing crap around...particularly to deflect from in depth discussions.

On another thread ages ago, there was a link to an interview with someone in Asia, whose daily job is to go online and disrupt conversations and deflect using misinformation, circular logic etc.

I hate to see people engage with it....I've been caught a few times and wasted my time and become frustrated. But, I hope I'm getting better at it.

And Rugger this particular poster Mystery, really hasn't a clue. Didn't know who Simon Coveney is, seems to post from outside Europe.
So, in no position to answer your questions at all.

I thought Mystery was in Aus! And oooooh how did I miss that interview?

No,just that we should sort our your cock up. Compromise and fuck ourselves over because some Brits are at it again. Some

Assume you are from Ireland as opposed to NI?

As Ireland is a party to GFA they are drawn in Brexit like it or not. Also as member of the EU they have EU regulations to follow.

All EU members signed Article 50 in 2009 which allows for a no deal. Here lies the error. When Article 50 was signed it was assumed by all members that no member would ever invoke Article 50.

Also the BIC (British Irish Council) was formed after GFA was established in 1998 with the task of monitoring how EU policies would affect either North and South. They overlooked it when Article 50 signed in 2009. Took no action either when Cameron announced in Jan 2013 there would be an EU referendum if he was elected at the next General Election.

I live in NI (I’m
English, husband and DD NI). Over the summer we drove to England and took our car to a repair shop in Manchester. We had to explain to the mechanic (early 30s) that NI was a member of the UK when sorting our documentation. People are still being charged international post to send thins to us from England. Even after all this talk people are still hugely ignorant of the situation here, it’s crazy.

Once more,final time, for the cheap seats at the back!!!

Brexit is a British problem. The onus is on Britain to get it however they want. They just can't break a peace treaty they signed in the process.

No one else's circus, no one else's monkeys.

Yes, bigship that's not uncommon at all.
And having NI pounds rejected in shops, as they don't look right.