Ireland and your vote.

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I am genuinely interested in all opinions here and I really hope that comes across. I don't want to start arguments or stir up hatred or insults. I've been on these boards for awhile and I know I've probably been quite ranty at times. I really want to not be here, so I'd like to ask everyone who voted, leave or remain, the following and I'd really appreciate your answers/thoughts.

Did ROI and NI play a part in your decision to vote whatever way?

Did the effect of a vote either way to NI and ROI occur at all, if so how?

Since the result, did anyone have a change of heart/become more sure of their vote based on what came out regarding ROI and NI afterwards?

Have you any thoughts on how we've been during it all/how our media portrays activities in the UK(if you're aware of what is said/shown here).

Hopefully this won't come across as trying to start a fight but, in all of this, did you care about us and the fallout or did you consider it not the UKs/anyone elses problem?

For disclosure, I'm Irish, in ROI, spent a lot of time at the border/in NI before the GFA, not as much after. Anyone I know in the UK that had a vote voted remain, I know 1 Leave voter(who lives in ROI).

Thanks in advance for sharing your thoughts.

God save us from over reaching eejits who know fuck all about Ireland but dont let that stop them talking bollocks about it on the net.

^^Old Irish prayer.

EU are the biggest liars of all. They are stringing Ireland along big time. EU cares about customs revenue only. Any suggestions made by UK to solve the border issues will be rejected by EU as they don’t want Brexit to happen.

The EU is more than a group of countries trading. GB's failure to understand this is its undoing in negotiations.

Mystery do you honestly believe that people living in Britain should have had a vote in the GFA, most don't know feck all about Ireland or care

Maybe if UK mainland had been given he chance to speak they would care?

I think it's obvious reading comments here and seeing what we did on Question Time (for example, many other shows and articles!) that a lot, obviously not all, people in Britain would not have had a clue what they were voting for if they had a say in the GFA.

I really want to emphasise I don't think all. There's been many,many people here and IRL who aren't from here who get it and care and it does give some comfort to know nowhere near everyone wants to throw us under a bus. Or an army land rover. dark sorry!

Clearly GB hadn't had enough influence over the lives of people in NI and ROI already

Maybe if UK mainland had been given he chance to speak they would care?

They had a long time to care about the situation and they didn't. At least 30 years. Or actually, several hundred years if you want to get back to the basis of it all. You're a true optimist if you honestly believe that hundreds of years of not caring would change overnight if the rest of the UK had got the chance to vote on the GFA.

Same party that sanctioned war in Iraq.
Same question: What's funny about that?

The EU is more than a group of countries trading. GB's failure to understand this is its undoing in negotiations

What a pile. EU origin (1957 THEREABOUTS) after WWII was trade.

Same question: What's funny about that?

Labour preaching peace in Ireland, but sanctioned war elsewhere.

That's not funny.
Nor is the GFA.

“Labour preaching peace in Ireland, but sanctioned war elsewhere.”

So the UK govt not taking the GFA seriously in its negotiations to leave the EU is totally fine for this reason, is it?

The GFA is held up as a model treaty all over the world and the EU is proud of the enabling part it plays - and it continues to heavily fund initatives in NI. In fact Michel Barnier was responsible for peace programmes in NI and signed on on millions of euro of support.

That being the case, in a no deal scenario the EU won't be putting up checks at the border then?

That being the case, in a no deal scenario the EU won't be putting up checks at the border then?

Perfect response.

The EU is protecting its own core values. That’s fair enough.

Plus, it isn’t a signatory of the GFA. The UK is.

The EU is protecting its own core values

Which is collection of customs duties from non EU countries.

EU cant prevent any member from leaving EU. All EU members signed Article 50 which allows any members to leave without a deal.

..... so how could it possibly have been mentioned in the 1997 labour party manifesto?

For the same reason that Major is considered one of its architects, yet his Government was voted out that year.

Distraction techniques from mystery as usual. They'll clock off soon. Life must be so easy for people who don't live anywhere near the EU, let alone the UK.

It won't matter what is said to Mystery or any leaves for that matter. They try to discredit the GFA and somehow try to blame Ireland for the mess. No one is stopping the UK from leaving but it simply can't walk away from a peace treaty it signed. Boris agreement falls far from the mark.

For the same reason that Major is considered one of its architects, yet his Government was voted out that year.

I can understand that but I can't understand how it could be part of a 1997 manifesto since at that time no one knew what would be agreed on.

Presumable working towards a Peace Treaty in NI was what was in the Manifestos?

www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/oct/07/revealed-the-eus-point-by-point-rejection-of-johnsons-brexit-plan?CMP=fb_gu&utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Facebook&fbclid=IwAR11YUKXDBkzkf0XXfaDEYzCiBOpLpohdYOC9z98NeHD10sI5Y_5PkCljSQ#Echobox=1570466855

I don’t think there’s any point in following mystery down their ridiculous rabbit holes.

What is interesting to me is the Leaver mentality that a particular version (hard) of their narrow win in 2016 must take precedence over EVERYTHING.

Over already standing peace treaties protecting lives, over this country’s economic stability, over the lives of people relying on specific drugs, over the country’s constitutional practices.

Distraction techniques from mystery as usual. They'll clock off soon. Life must be so easy for people who don't live anywhere near the EU, let alone the UK

Useful posts so far. Several seem to be coming around to view that Article 50 signed by all EU members failed to take into account the GFA. Ie a BIC failure.

Some also warming to fact that GFA is not written into EU law and therefore Ireland must install a border for collection of customs duties in the event of a no deal brexit. Hence Ireland breaks the GFA or they suffer the consequences applied by EU.

The other argument that GFA becomes defunct in the event that UK leaves EU without a deal has been posted elsewhere. Some moral arguments have been posted, but so far no legal arguments based on case law.

And there's no morals in a peace treaty based on compromise and understanding is there mystery?

Just like there's no comprehension or thinking in your posts.

If ROI voted, for arguments sake, to take over Liverpool. It has a strong Irish presence, a very good maternity hospital we could make use of, heck the Beatles have good tunes we want to claim. We just like it! We vote, we decide to take it by force and annex it. Think it's ok? The rest of England didn't vote to say we shouldn't and it is THE WILL OF THE PEOPLE!!!! The vote must be respected, regardless of inconvenience to everyone there or nearby. You're just not believing in WestDublinPool enough!! Sound good? Or sound a bit dickish to the people who will be most affected? Hmmmm?

No @MysteryTripAgain , you just keep repeating the same old shit.