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Dusty - do you think it is right that Boris announces that the UK are leaving with or without a deal in light of the papers the government filed in the Scottish Court last week?

Snow - I understand your point re the law having the ability to be preemptive, but the separation of court & politics is essential imo

Parliament has all the powers it requires & needs to depose BJ - it is not the job of the court to do this unless parliament is blocked from doing so in an unlawful manner

Dusty - do you think it is right that Boris announces that the UK are leaving with or without a deal in light of the papers the government filed in the Scottish Court last week?

He is a politician with one eye on a GE that he hopes to win

Gamesmanship is part & parcel of politics whether or not we think it to be right or approve of it

Boris is either misleading the Court or the public - it’s already backfiring on him. He doesn’t have a deal with the EU, the public are turning on him, he has a minority government and has backed himself into a corner with the Courts. The next couple of weeks will end his political career.

I think a GE before the end of Oct (when first offered) would have been better, but now it is inevitable that extension will be granted and so there should absolutely be a GE straight after

Personally, I’d rather have seen an October election too (even if it created a pro-Brexit majority which is not my personal viewpoint). The only way we’re ever going to get back to more moderate politics is if our government has a workable majority.

I do put more blame on Johnson though, than the remain favouring MPs. He did have a teeny tiny majority when he started out, and immediately blew it to smithereens. He didn’t have to run on a Brexit on time platform, do or die.

He likely would have won the leadership vote anyway, even he’d said he’d seek an extension, prepare thoroughly for no deal (so that the EU could see we were ready) and negotiate in the mean time.

It would have been a breath of fresh air for a politician to tell the truth - we should have been preparing but haven’t, and it’s going to take time.

His desire to attract the Farage supporting crowd is a huge missed opportunity in my personal opinion.

I wonder if Boris doesn't sign the surrender letter and is deemed to be acting 'unlawfully', doesn't that mean parliament is complicit because they have the power to stop such illegal activity and are refusing to do anything.

If Boris does sign the letter (it is not a surrender letter - nothing has been surrendered) he will end up in Court incredibly quickly. The EU are obviously watching the games being played in the UK. Makes things much easier for the EU as they aren’t sinking to the stupid games the UK are playing. Doesn’t bode well for negotiating any new trade deals.

It would have been a breath of fresh air for a politician to tell the truth

I agree wholeheartedly with this
Unfortunately, honest politicians rarely rise to the top.

'Girly swot spider-woman takes down the Hulk' is amusing as a headline or similar, but when the supposedly impartial judge is using it herself in a presentation, it stinks

If it had been a 6-5 verdict, with Hale swinging it, then they'd be some mileage in this argument.

It was 11-0.

The very first thing dictatorial govt's try to do is rubbish the courts, usually helped by their supporters.

As soon as the extension is secured, time for an election.

What will that achieve?

BJ will spin it that the nasty people forced him into extending and he needs a majority to do what he was trying to do all along, so he’s quite likely to win a majority this time round because Labour are unelectable because of Corbyn.

Extension = no deal

An extension will always be better than no deal. Revoke would be even better.

Sorry - typo

Extension = prevents no deal

I admire Boris for keeping his cards close to his chest it's very clear that parliament is remain and that they don't want to honour the vote.

They cannot be trusted. I'm very disappointed in lady Hales gloating as well, very disappointing.

Parker it does astonish me when posters take up the Ireland mantle (never previously cared or mentioned Ireland) as the reason we can't leave the eu. Then say things like.. It would be better that we revoke..

Doesn't it worry you that we could end up in a terrorist situation? Or civil war?

If it had been a 6-5 verdict, with Hale swinging it, then they'd be some mileage in this argument. It was 11-0

So its ok for the head Judge in the UK to be publicly biased as long as the other ones are as well?

I thought cancelling the prorogation was critical to the Brexit process. As far as I can tell parliament has done bugger all with relation to Brexit since it has been back. I suspect those remainer MPs were actually lying about their reasons.

Strange now the high Court found in govs favour though isn't it? And constitutionally judge in high court out ranks supreme Court judges but supreme Court outrank high court.. Hardly a clear cut matter at all.

I think the risks of violence in NI are much greater than in England if there is a no deal exit.

Boris’s proposals also destroy the business economy in NI.

Extension = prevents no deal

It doesn't though.

It kicks the end date of A50 down the road a bit. That's it.

Only way to prevent no-deal is to negotiate a deal; the WA provides a transition period in which to achieve this.

If MPs truly want a deal, rather than simply no Brexit at all or a hard Brexit, then they need to vote in favour of a WA (presumably it will be a reheated & tweaked version of the original.

Extension = prevents no deal

You should say extension increases the chance of a no deal.
Extension + GE = Boris Majority & immediate no deal exit

If the MPs & Judges in the Westminster bubble ignore 17.4 million votes then we will elect the only people standing up for us.
Hint: Its not Corbyn.

I don’t think Boris would gain a majority government . His performance lately has destroyed his credibility and the public have had their eyes opened.

Extension + GE = Boris Majority & immediate no deal exit

I dunno, I’m not so sure (not that I have any idea what may happen). I’m from a staunch leave area originally. I can claim to have taken a poll or anything, but I got the feeling that Johnson/Mogg/Cummings behaviour didn’t go down that well - particularly with the older Brexit supporters.

I’m not sure they’d vote for Farage’s party either though - I always expected UKIP to do well here, but they never did.

The only thing I know for sure is that Corbyn hasn’t got a snowballs chance in hell.

Extension = prevents no deal

It doesn't though.

It kicks the end date of A50 down the road a bit. That's it.

I agree it doesn’t prevent no deal at all.

It rallies BJs troops against those who are trying to frustrate ‘the will of the people’ and makes no deal more likely

gonna, agreed.

The fact Corbyn stands no chance is the whole problem.

It doesn’t matter how much of a shit BJ is, he’s still way more popular than a Corbyn and that’s a huge problem.

If those who are disgruntled and feel they have no political home don’t vote, or vote for outside parties it just means the Tories still win but with less votes.

The only thing I know for sure is that Corbyn hasn’t got a snowballs chance in hell.

Absolutely 100% agree that this is the only thing that is a certainty!

I've no idea at all how a GE would turn out - I'd be v surprised if Tories got a massive majority - more likely another hung Parliament I think.

My hope is that a GE will shake things up enough to provide a fresh approach overall - whether that's a complete rethink about future relationship with EU (possibly EEA/EFTA & NI in Customs Union) or at least a proper, good faith vote on WA (setting aside party politics & Brexit ideology)

Without a brexit party pact its unlikely he would get a majority.

With brexit party pact it would be a close win.