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You know that it is mean and elitist to ask people on an anonymous platform why they voted the way they did and why it's ok 😂😂

Mystery - We haven't asked random members of the public, coming out of their town hall polling station, we 've asked people who have chosen to open themselves up to scrutiny by posting on a public brexit forum.

Polling is a well established way of getting to know the public's views, which you yourself have quoted when predicting a Con/Bxp win in the next GE.
It does not require everyone to be asked, as well you know.

@bellinisurge

Pointless as Bear has pointed out.

Logic would be if government/parliament can ignore a vote, then persons in the street can ignore law.

Sadly it has been demonstrated that that is exactly the logic of many Leavers - even though it’s absolutely not something to be proud of.

Sadly it has been demonstrated that that is exactly the logic of many Leavers - even though it’s absolutely not something to be proud of

May not be leavers, but an extremist group that uses the situation as camouflage to make trouble?

Are we not past the point of squabbling over reasons?

The people who voted leave had their reasons, and cast their vote. It’s done.

I do think leavers should be made aware with the lies which the figureheads of their side have told, keep telling, and will tell in the future. They deserve that information.

But if it doesn’t sway their opinion then they have a right to that, whether anyone thinks it’s logical or not.

Having said that, if you don’t like having your opinions challenged, then don’t engage in debate on a public discussion forum which is specifically designed as space for people to engage in conversation on that topic. That’s just common sense, surely.

They don’t have to explain their decision.

And the rest of us don't have to 'accept' or 'get behind' Brexit if the benefits can't be articulated.

Exactly. Watch the UK go up in smoke if there is no Brexit. Logic would be if government/parliament can ignore a vote, then persons in the street can ignore law.

This is utter nonsense and you know it. We have accepted outrageous lies; indeed we have a PM who openly lies, we have seen MPs like JRM act in blatant self-interest - behaviour that would have been unthinkable a couple of decades ago - and the UK has not yet 'gone up in smoke'. This is the new politics and - like sheep - the citizens of the UK have not only accepted it, some of them have lapped it up and actively supported it, provided it suits their bias. Veiled threats about riots, about the country 'going up in smoke' etc are pathetic and mostly come from people who are all mouth and no trousers. Most people will sit at home and do nothing at all whether Brexit happens or not. Ignoring a bent vote is a perfectly rational position, especially when it will damage the country and its citizens.

No WA = No deal

And what about the Benn Act (or what you so childishly call the Benny Hill Act - oh, how original! oh, what a wag you are!) Does Johnson still think he's above the law?

Logic would be if government/parliament can ignore a vote, then persons in the street can ignore law.

Except there is no legal basis for enacting the Referendum, so there is no logic to that statement.

Although I’m waiting for that argument to be used if Johnson tries to ignore the Benn Act - which would be illegal.

I don’t give a fuck about the politics,

DH IS LOSING HIS JOB, MY FAMILY IS LOSING TWO THIRDS OF THEIR INCOME!

Can someone explain why? Because I really DO NOT understand how anyone in their right mind can think that any of this shit show is a good idea??

Tell you what, one of you name me one honest person that has benefitted from or is genuinely going to benefit materially from Brexit, in the foreseeable future.. and I will consider forgiving you for fucking destroying my family’s life!

And what about the Benn Act (or what you so childishly call the Benny Hill Act - oh, how original! oh, what a wag you are!) Does Johnson still think he's above the law

Benn Act applies to UK, not EU. No obligation for EU to agree to an extension.

Previously EU have said they would only give extension if there was another referendum or a general election. Both have been ruled out.

Except there is no legal basis for enacting the Referendum, so there is no logic to that statement

It’s called invoke of Article 50 as voted for by 498 MPs

Having said that, if you don’t like having your opinions challenged

Only way to challenge the result of a vote is by a further vote. Both a further referendum and general election have been ruled out by government. I wonder why they have done that if opposition parties are confident they will win as people have changed their minds over Brexit?

And the rest of us don't have to 'accept' or 'get behind' Brexit if the benefits can't be articulated

Yes you do have to accept. Democracy only works when losers accept they are losers.

Advantages and disadvantages of leaving EU were presented during the campaign up to the referendum. The argument to leave was more convincing. Hence the result was to leave.

Article 49 provides a mechanism to apply to rejoin if UK thinks it is better to do so.

Ignoring a bent vote is a perfectly rational position, especially when it will damage the country and its citizens

Only the losers of the referendum think it was bent. If there was evidence of foul play government could have declared the result void. Reason they did not as there was no such evidence?

Yes you do have to accept. Democracy only works when losers accept they are losers

Total Bullshit.

The losing side don't have to accept anything at all, within the law, they can oppose all they like, esp in regard to an opinion poll.

From the BBC - A Scottish judge is being asked to consider whether Boris Johnson could be jailed if he takes the UK out of the EU without a deal.

A legal challenge is to be heard at the Court of Session about whether the prime minister could be forced to delay Brexit if no exit deal is agreed.

Government documents submitted to the Courts of Session states that Boris Johnson will request an extension by October 19th if a deal hasn't been done. So who is Boris lying too, the public or the courts.

If there was evidence of foul play government could have declared the result void. Reason they did not as there was no such evidence?

You’re really not getting that the Referendum has no legal standing. It is precisely because it has no legal standing that there is no legal recourse to be able to declare it null and void.

Guessing he is lying to the public. I assume a "tbe big boys made me do it" excuse WHEN he asks for an extension which his acolytes on here and elsewhere will fall for.

Why did he only yesterday say that the UK was leaving on 31 October deal or no deal!

mystery Yes you do have to accept.

Here are a few definitions of 'accept' from the Oxford dictionary:
Regard favourably or with approval; welcome
Receive as adequate, valid, or suitable.
Tolerate or submit to (something unpleasant or undesired)
Believe or come to recognise (a proposition) as valid or correct.

Am I going to do any of those things? The hell I am!
So you can fuck right off with your "yes, you do have to accept."

mystery (again).
The argument to leave was more convincing. Hence the result was to leave.
I don't think the vote was won because the argument was "more convincing." It was won because it played to people's prejudices.

The losing side don't have to accept anything at all, within the law, they can oppose all they like, esp in regard to an opinion poll

Opinion polls are not binding.