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howabout - I like vegetables but can’t face cabbage - healthy or not. Unfortunately the UK doesn’t produce enough vegetables to feed it’s population, particularly in winter.

My Belgian neighbour doesn't like vegetables much at all. She makes herself eat soup.

Don't think anyone is suggesting not importing veg and fruit. Just questioning whether it should be short shelf life salad veg out of season. Not bothered to check whether it is nutritionally / practically the case that the UK cannot produce enough veg. I doubt it. We turn acres over to eg asparagus production. That is a very profitable crop but again not necessarily the best in terms of nutritional return for land use and labour input.

I think the whole unseasonal foods availability has got to have a rethink. Not only because of Brexit but because we really need to have a serious discussion about the carbon waste in importing so much.

Mps are being investigated for colluding with eu over Benn bill

What nonsense! anyone seriously suggesting that anyone in the EU knows more about UK law than mmmm UK lawyers?

...and who exactly would they be investigated by and what laws would they have broken?

..unless you are about to shout TREASON! Lol!

I think the whole unseasonal foods availability has got to have a rethink. Not only because of Brexit but because we really need to have a serious discussion about the carbon waste in importing so much

Whilst i agree with you thats its vital we reduce CO2 etc brexit isn't going to have a negative impact on stuff coming from the southern hemisphere, in fact the opposite as foods are sourced from further afield, flown in instead.

What nonsense! anyone seriously suggesting that anyone in the EU knows more about UK law than mmmm UK lawyers?

It’s not about that though is it, it’s about colluding with the EU to ensure that they will accept a ruling that says John Bercow (the man that is supposed to be impartial) can go to the EU and ask for an extension himself and that the EU would accept this.

Just gives more ammunition to Boris and the whole people against parliament narrative.

Another Remainer desperate ploy imo.

Jas, there are plenty of things grown in Northern Europe that can easily be grown here such as apples from France or all the flowers we import from Holland.
I agree that some fruit traditionally imported from Spain or other parts of Southern Europe might end up coming further but also there are plenty of things we can grow under 'glass' since heating green houses has become much more efficient. I was struck on a visit to Iceland many years ago just how many green houses there were there. So the technology is there, could be something we could do on many derelict sites left by heavy industry.

Yes and we will have everything in place by Nov 1 so you won't even notice a difference. Our attitude and desire for cheap food will change overnight. And the business model of all food producers will slip seamlessly into this new approach. And no one , particularly those on here who were whining about not enough ice lollies in the heatwave, 😂 will complain or even notice.

Stuff grown under glass, especially using any form of heating, is super expensive, with a hi carbon footprint.
Efficient green housing is also v expensive, Icelandic greenhouses are heated from underground sources, we don't have that.

Most of the apples i see in my local 'store are english, its also do with length of the season, people want fruit for weeks/months, not just a few weeks in Autumn.

The other prob is our weather, its just not reliable enough, one frost at the wrong time and we have shortages.

bellini scoff all you want. Where I live supermarkets have only just worked out that if they price fresh fruit and veg cheaply enough they actually sell them rather than having to constantly throw them away as expensive window dressing.

Michael Gove had me in stitches last week talking about his time as an Aberdeen supermarket shelf stacker. To the uninitiated he said that Aberdonians were far too refined to cause a rammy over the last lettuce. What he really meant was that they are far too sensible to spend their cash on overpriced out of season produce.

I grow my own @howabout . So I don't give a shit. Hope you are enjoying your Sunday watching the Tory conference.

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If Johnson just obeyed the law, none of this would be necessary, he has made it v clear he will seek to circumvent the Benn Act, so anti no dealers are trying to stop him, which in a representative democrcy they are entitled to do.

Very irresponsible to try and drive the narrative of "Parliament against the People" johnson seems to be wanting to bring people out onto the street, where will that end?

These things should be sorted out in a GE which is going to be v soon.

These things should be sorted out in a GE

Couldn't agree more. Far more legitimate than bestowing Bercow with some sort of honorary Presidency of convenience.

Yes and we will have everything in place by Nov 1 so you won't even notice a difference.

That's the key point. There's always been a left-wing, environmentalist argument against globalisation and in favour of more local self-reliance. The problem is, even with the best will in the world, it's just not possible. Certainly not in this time frame. If you really wanted to do Brexit, what was needed was proper investigation into alternative economic models (you, know that's so easy) and full implementation BEFORE actually triggering article 50. Hell, many of those who voted remain might have actually voted leave if that was going to be the case.

On what we can grow in Britain, here's some simple numbers to start off with. There are 65 million of us in Britain (for historical comparison, that's about as many as thought to have existed in the whole Roman Empire). It's generally estimated that you need round about 1 acre of good land per person to feed them. We have approximately 60 million acres of Britain. You then have complications around what land is suitable for producing what kind of food, how much of our land is suitable for producing any kind of food - that's why so much of it is pastoral - and so on, and so on. Seasons, weather, etc.

Bottom line is there is no way Britain can feed its current population. It hasn't been able to do so since before the world wars. There is such a thing as vertical farming, but it is in its infancy and is not going to save us. Should we be in this position? No, but we are and in this context hard Brexit is suicide.

Sorry, for Britain there read UK. Apologies to Northern Ireland. Britain by itself probably has worse figures: I think Northern Ireland has lower population density than England.

Would be interested in a source document for your analysis DarkAtEndOfUk.

Although again I note that no-one is proposing an end to food imports but merely short term disruption to the supply of certain highly perishable products currently coming from the EU.

To cite my earlier example, Scottish shellfish producers reckon they can get live crabs to China more reliably than to the EU in the event of border delays. I imagine this will also be true in reverse for fruit and veg coming from Africa and South America.

BJ isn't interested in no deal or deal Brexit. He wants to create history so he will be remembered for his short term in office. His only ambition is himself. When are people going to realise this!

These things should be sorted out in a GE which is going to be v soon

jas let’s hope so.

To the uninitiated he said that Aberdonians were far too refined to cause a rammy over the last lettuce.

Last lettuce, maybe not - but I’ve seen a fight over the last turkey. I’m Aberdeen.

You flatter me with the term ‘analysis’, this is all basic info for me. There isn’t one source document, at least not one I know of. The population of the country is well known, the acreage of the country is well known. Influences of season, weather etc are nowadays taught in primary schools, and those of us who grow our own food know it well. The quality of souls varying around the country is something I’ve known for years through historical settlement study, and again is nowadays mentioned in primary. The question of acre per person is of course variable depending on crops and land but the UN has rough figures. Vertical farming is the only new element, and that’s covered by numerous articles in news mags I e read over years. It’s been too easily thrown around in these arguments I know, but really, it is all freely google-able. Try it and check yourself.

Quality of souls, not souls!

Aargh! Soils stupid autocorrect

The UK is only 60% self-sufficient for food.

www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2018/08/07/Food-self-sufficiency-highlighted

Arlene Foster apparently now saying DUP are open to time-limited backstop in WA.

Not that it matters really, if opposition call VONC & topple govt this week