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" Europeans have a totally different sense of humour."

What a piece of English exceptionalism is this? UK one country and 'Europe" another country? Europe is enormous, southern Spain and Portugal up to Finland and, although we are one people (of which the UK is also, historically and culturally pert) we all have different types of humour.

In fact, Italian humour is very close to the Irish one (Catholic influence?)

And you know, watching it from the south of Europe you Brits are just like the Germans & Dutch with a more singsong twang, really. Stop thinking you are so different, cause you are not.

Bear I downloaded that letter earlier. It was a link from Gov.uk so yes it is

It really not sinking in is it?

That letter was basically saying ‘we can’t agree with what you’ve offered so would like to revert to our original cake and eat it plan please’

Here's the exchange of correspondence again in case anyone missed ignored it
www.gov.uk/government/publications/brexit-preparedness-correspondence-with-the-eu-institutions

As you see this is not a fake because of the site it is from.

The EU must look and each letter from us and just think ‘FFS’

@bellinisurge, thank you for the link to that letter exchange

Thank goodness for the SNP - for actually doing something - moving for a VONC which should lead to a GE.

And every elector can then vote however they see fit.

Hopefully a VONC on Wednesday and we can get no deal off the table. Boris has demonstrated he’s not fit to be PM - let’s move on.

Who knows what or who a GE will bring...all I know is that the HoC, as it is currently, is incapable of achieving anthing that either gets on with Brexit or cancels it. And the UK needs to get on with something, there's been enough 'posturing'.

And you know, watching it from the south of Europe you Brits are just like the Germans & Dutch with a more singsong twang, really. Stop thinking you are so different, cause you are not.

Fwiw, we're very similar to the Dutch. Over population is similar, language is similar and closely related. I know Dutch people who think the same in reverse, that they're far more similar to UK than to even Belgium. The big differences are that the Dutch are effective: if they decide something needs doing, they do it, whereas Britain has too many vested interests ever to get things moving. The Netherlands is a democracy, with many voices and perspectives represented rather than just one or two. They are accordingly rather more egalitarian than we are.

I would hate to be more like the USA. No effective state organisation re health services, race tensions, guns in common use, no decent holidays, rich get richer and have increasingly easier lives, poor get poorer and work harder, a country where law is what the rich say it is and different groups (including women) can be disenfranchised with no way of appealing, a country that respects only what they perceive as strength, i.e. the ability to walk over other people and get away with it. In fact half of my wanting to remain in the EU is to retain EU influence and protection against being a lapdog of the US. You're kidding yourself if you think you'll get any respect or fair dealing from the US.

From the Guardian - Boris Johnson is deliberately whipping up fears of riots and deaths so he can try to invoke emergency powers and avoid extending the UK’s EU membership beyond 31 October, Labour’s Brexit spokesman, Keir Starmer, claimed on Saturday.

After a week in which the prime minister was accused by MPs from all the main parties, including senior Tories, of inciting violence by accusing Remainers of Brexit “surrender” and “betrayal”, Starmer said it was part of an orchestrated plan to stoke a sense of outrage among Leave voters and create civil unrest, so an extension might be avoided.

Increasingly MPs across the House of Commons believe Downing St is considering using the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, which grants special powers in the event of a national emergency, as a way to override the so-called Benn act, which mandates the prime minister to seek a delay to Brexit if no deal has been struck with Brussels by 19 October.

We’re the only English speaking country for a start

As has been said, we're not, but even if we were - so what? Every European language is in a minority if you compare it to all the rest lumped together like that. If anything our language is more widely spoken if only as a second or third language. Most countries aren't French-speaking either, or Italian-speaking, or Dutch-speaking.

Increasingly MPs across the House of Commons believe Downing St is considering using the Civil Contingencies Act 2004, which grants special powers in the event of a national emergency, as a way to override the so-called Benn act, which mandates the prime minister to seek a delay to Brexit if no deal has been struck with Brussels by 19 October.

How could they justify it?
It doesn't work if the 'national emergency' is the end itself that they are deliberately pursuing!
That's called a coup!!

Belle, I think any use of such language is reprehensible. No one should be using the words knife, stabbing, de capitating (lib dem on Boris Johnson) etc etc.

I feel embarrassed that he has said this and ashamed. It let's the side down.

I don't feel surrender bill is in the that catagory.

Maybe the national emergency is parliament acting agaisnt the wishes of the 'people' by pulling every trick they can to stop brexit.

And that could cause riots if we are not out in October?

“When we pick a lettuce, say in Spain, it has five days of life. Now, we can have it on a shelf within 24 hours so we can offer a customer four days of life,” Lewis told the Daily Mail in July. “If that lettuce has to stand two days at the border, I’m not sure we can put it on a shelf, and that is not good for us.”

Tesco CEO, today. Source:

www.theguardian.com/business/2019/sep/28/tesco-no-deal-brexit-supermarkets-hard-border-uk-eu

The article continues:

"The Brexit deadline at the end of October, which has been extended from the end of March, also couldn’t be much worse for supermarkets. It threatens disruption just as they are gearing up for the Christmas trading period. Logistically, the timing is a nightmare too because warehouses will be full of Christmas items."

An extension would not cause more uncertainty as some PP have argued- it would help the situation short term in the hope to find a long term solution.

@MonnaLisa all the punters here will skip along to their local farm shop basket in hand and buy seasonal vegetables. And it will all be as cheap and easy as it is now. And everyone will be sooooo happy doing this and have the free time and money to do it. Apparently

@bellinisurge. You are absolutely correct! Silly me. I apologise

Andy Burnham on Sky just now saying he thinks the best way forward now is for Parliament to agree to leave with a Norway style transition to allow a smooth interim period in which to discuss the future relationship.

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Anti-brexit & no-dealer MPs will never countenance this unfortunately, but there are surely enough sensible MPs left in parliament to get something pragmatic like this through...?

I read on one website a poster saying they would eat at restaurants or get takeaways if the shops were short of any foods!

"Norway style", as Norway and the other countries in the block have pointed out, it's not something you can magic out of a hat at the last minute.

I would have tough Burnham was better informed than that.

As Barnier has pointed out in his official letter, there is a withdrawal agreement that organises the manner the UK leaves.

If the Uk does not accept that there are only three options available:

• delay

-revoke

• withdraw without an agreement

(aka 'no deal' even if everyone calls it that is not exact because the WA is not a 'deal' per se).

Everything else is speculation and will not be accepted by the EU, as the letter published on the gov.uk site makes very clear.

@DustyDiamond we can get this if we accept the WA. If it is so easy to solve the NI border with technical solutions then we don't need the backstop anyway.

I don't feel surrender bill is in the that catagory.
Imnot - use your imagination. Imagine you are a British nationalist (although people like this probably just think of themselves as 'patriots') and it is suggested to you - by our PM no less - that we're 'surrendering' to a bunch of foreigners. Now do you get it? It's the language of populists, designed to make certain types of people believe that we have a point to prove, a battle to fight, that we need to rise up and resist these foreigners. That's why people recognise it as dangerous language, especially those who understand history. It's in the same category as 'enemies of the people', 'citizens of nowhere' etc.

There were no riots after the last 2 deadlines came and went, there has been limited riots in this country since 2004, without invoking emergency legislation, we have a police force to deal with these sorts of things.
Would be quickly thrown out of court.

I think Johnson will just ignore the Benn act and dare the courts to send him to jail.
There would need to be a trial, a verdict, appeal to SC, surely, all of this cannot happen in just a few days.

@jasjas1973 - I agree. Boris is arrogant enough to press ahead and test the limits of the legal and parliamentary process. He thinks he’s above the laws of the land. He’ll be stupid enough to take the UK out without a deal and face the consequences when it’s too late. Meanwhile the UK public will be facing the implementation of a Brexit disaster.