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Thanks for the condescending comment, shows perfectly why the divisions in this country will never heal, leavers aren't interested, just winning at any cost.

What you are basically saying is that we remainers have to shut the fuck up.

That's not going to happen because we have the good of the country at heart.

Losers consent isn't a helpful analytical tool here- premised on idea that losers have a stake in ongoing democratic mechanisms and can learn/vote next time. Doesn't at all justify decision to ignore 48% in a one off ballot. See also Lord Sumption's article about democratic illegitimacy of winners "carrying off the spoils".

Thanks for the condescending comment,

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It's not my fault that you chose not to even google.

What you are basically saying is that we remainers have to shut the fuck up.

No, because we live in a democracy.
Shout all you want, campaign to rejoin, whatever.
It is your democratic right to do so.
But you cannot legitimately overturn a democratic majority verdict just because you think your minority view should be enacted.

eavers aren't interested, just winning at any cost.

Not true.
Extreme Brexiters who want no-deal only are not representative of all Leave voters.
Just like extremist remainers are not representative of all remain voters.

If by 'winning' you simply mean that Brexit is enacted, then yes - because that was the majority verdict in the ref.

See also Lord Sumption's article about democratic illegitimacy of winners "carrying off the spoils".

I think he actually said carrying off 100% of the spoils", not simply 'the spoils'.

And he's correct.

Which is why a soft Brexit is the most democratically legitimate outcome

Dusty - i have a job, unlike yourself and am not interested in googling every little phrase and comment you make.

I am not going to campaign to rejoin because once we leave, we will never rejoin.

I couldn't care less about the result of the referendum, it was a bad & corrupt decision and i will do all in my power to halt it, especially as its looking more and more likely they'll be an extension, possibly a second vote and certainly a GE.... there is everything to gain here.

Now, i am going to do some work now, pay a little more tax, so you put your feet up and relax :)

Just checked, he said this:

"52% of the electorate simply cannot have 100% of the spoils, they have to engage with the rest'

As I said, he's correct.

And by extension, 48% of the electorate simply cannot have 100% of the spoils either

And to overturn the result, revoke & Remain means that a minority (48%) will take 100% & the majority (52%) will get nothing

Dusty - i have a job, unlike yourself

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Nice dig!!

Hope that gives you nice warm feelz hun xx

But @DustyDiamond , you are on here having a go at everyone who disagrees with you. Don't you think it's about time you dropped the Leaver-Victim schtick and started working on here with other Leavers to find a compromise.

"Which is why a soft Brexit is the most democratically legitimate outcome"

This is something that could get wide support if only we could agree what a soft Brexit looks like.

However, the definition of a soft Brexit has moved (been deliberately moved) from a Norway Brexit to literally anything that does not involve crashing out with no deal.

If Leavers started saying to each other " we don't want to live in a country where it's ok to threaten civil servants with knifing" maybe we'd get somewhere positive. That's Faridge's latest by the way.

Now, i am going to do some work now, pay a little more tax, so you put your feet up and relax :)

You wound me!

Just kidding - I couldn't give a fuck how much you look down on me. I've paid plenty tax over the years, & gave over 20 years of military service to the UK. I only lost my job because I was medically unfit to carry on

But you do you hun & keep on sneering!!

But @DustyDiamond , you are on here having a go at everyone who disagrees with you.

No I'm not!

I think you're confusing me with someone else

No I'm not. It's all Leaver-Victim with you and every other punter in the Brexit Arms. Surely it's about time you started working on finding common ground.

It's all Leaver-Victim with you

No it's not

I have consistently said I support a deal over no deal & have conceded repeatedly that a soft Brexit is the most legitimate outcome

What do you mean by a soft Brexit, Dusty?

I don’t know about any other leavers, but one of the reasons I voted to leave was because I’ve never really felt ‘European’ - maybe it’s because we’re so different from all the other EU countries I’ve always felt like we’re the outsider. We’re the only English speaking country for a start, & just seem ‘different’ - I can’t quite put my finger on it.
We’ve always had so much more in common with America.

Belle how could anyone working with you on this chat forum cure brexit paralysis?

"We’re the only English speaking country for a start"

Er ...

There are two English speaking states in the EU (and several English speaking countries).

Mistigri - there's obvs stuff in the WA which is important such as divorce agreement for what's owed etc

Other than those things, I'd rip up the WA and instead have an EEA/EFTA & CU transitional arrangement.
This gives room to negotiate future relationship.

The endpoint would be EEA/EFTA or Canada + for example, but not part of CU so that we would be able to pursue our own trade deals.
The future arrangement would obviously require a customs agreement of some kind (for NI/Ireland reasons) but there are options such as special economic zone etc that could be applied to NI
The transitional period would allow space for de-dramatisation of the rhetoric surrounding such an arrangement & also allows time & space to address other options surrounding the border issues.

The CU & transition period would need to be strictly time-limited obviously so as not to keep us trapped indefinitely, but if a reasonable period is agreed it need not be arbitrarily short (for example, I think I saw 4 years mooted as an achievable length to properly sort everything out).

Dusty - WA is already compatible with an EEA/EFTA end point.

I could live with Norway plus NI inside the EU customs area. Protects my priorities (free movement, Ireland).

Dusty - WA is already compatible with an EEA/EFTA end point.

I know, but the WA has been spun so badly by both extremes that it's unfortunately utterly toxic now

Even the media etc continually referring to it as 'the deal' has wilfully misrepresented it - it's not the deal, it's the transition - but MPs, Farage, anti-Brexit groups etc are spinning it as badly as possible to further their own ends

"I know, but the WA has been spun so badly by both extremes that it's unfortunately utterly toxic now "

I don't know how we get around this now. A SM/CU arrangement would have been available 3 years ago. But there is literally no WA available now that does not include a backstop, because the UK has negotiated in bad faith and Ireland doesn't trust us. The EU will follow Ireland on this.

Did anyone realise we have real power on mn 😂😂 this isn't a chat forum?

Let's work with jas and Bell and solve brexit... The 5 of us

Does anyone know about this latest twitter thing

Henry viii powers?

"We’re the only English speaking country for a start"
Ireland.

@Imnotthrowingawaymyshot scoff all you like. But I assume you have friends. Who have friends etc. Some of whom may be on FB fur example.
If all us randoms started saying "let's compromise " it might get somewhere.