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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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prettybird · 25/09/2019 22:19

I think we're talking at cross-purposes Random (I probably wasn't clear enough): I was actually agreeing that she hasn't "put on" the accent (as some others had suggested).

I don't see why she should - even though I don't really like her accent because I'm a snob Wink

I still struggle on occasions with broad Glaswegian accents (dh says it's just proof that I'm not truly Glaswegian Wink) - but that's my problem, not theirs Blush

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HesterThrale · 25/09/2019 22:21

Dangerous times. I wonder if he’s trying to be outrageous enough to goad the opposition parties into voting for an election or no confidence?
They need to stay calm and think.
Will this be bad enough to get them to come together and unite under one alternative leader for a GNU?

TheMShip · 25/09/2019 22:22

From Lewis Goodall:

Everyone is (rightly) preoccupied with the PM’s comments about Jo Cox but he said something no less important towards the end of his questions. He explicitly told
@IanMurrayMP
that he would not comply with the Benn Act. He’s never explicitly said this before.
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Ian Murray: “If he doesn't get a deal through this House, or a no-deal through this House, by 19 October, will he seek an extension from the EU to 31 January?”

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The PM has now been crystal clear, he will not comply with the law.
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So either he’ll have to resign or MPs will have to remove him.
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This cuts against what the Attorney General has said, what the Lord Chancellor has said and what the PM himself seemed to say earlier in the day.

CendrillonSings · 25/09/2019 22:23

I hear some people were desperate for Parliament to re-open and conduct its business again? Well...

prettybird · 25/09/2019 22:24

flouncyfanny - my accent is probably closest to Michael (?) (James Macpherson?) - the posh one Wink(because of various other influences, my accent is a bit posh Edinburgh-ish)

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DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 22:24

Yes, McDonell reiterated that and said that we are now in new territory where the Prime Minister, already found guilty of breaking the law of the land, has just openly said he will not act in accordance with legislation passed by our country's House of Commons. oh shit

DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 22:25

and then left the building.

Random18 · 25/09/2019 22:26

pretty Grin

Lluise do you think BJ has well & truly crossed the line today? I am not a fan of him, I never have been bit tonight imo has been new lows that I could never have imagined.

I am terrified, bloody terrified of where we are going.

It's not about Brexit at all for me anymore. I just don't know what we do. 5 years old being threatened. That has shocked tonight and still people make offensive comments on Twitter etc

pumkinspicetime · 25/09/2019 22:27

Random & prettybird
if I sat in your garden listening to you two having a chat, would it be like an episode of Tagart or Rab C?

Given prettybird has a bearsden accent I doubt it.
But having been told growing up my accent was far too posh ( blame my English mother) I arrived in a nice English Uni to be told I sounded just like Rab C. So maybe?

Random18 · 25/09/2019 22:28

flouncy 'there's been a murder'

I try and get my 'English sounding' kids to say that Grin

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 22:28

pumpkin even!!

Hoooo · 25/09/2019 22:28

Oh, get to fuck, louise

Pathetic of you.

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pumkinspicetime · 25/09/2019 22:30

BJ had the police called on him due to his personal behavior to women.
Politically he copies Trump.
He is a threat to women.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 22:30

When I worked in Glasgow I kept getting my colleagues to say 'murder' to me! 😂😂

DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 22:30

Seconded smiley.

TheElementsSong · 25/09/2019 22:31

Well said smiletho!

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tobee · 25/09/2019 22:35

He's got nothing to lose is what I take from today, as Cummings has obviously been coaching him all afternoon.

I'm very glad that parliament has been recalled and this has been witnessed today.

derxa · 25/09/2019 22:36

Can I say in my South Lanarkshire/slightly anglified accent Fuck Brexit!!!!

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