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Westministenders: The Non Re-Opening Of Parliament

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RedToothBrush · 24/09/2019 19:40

Parliament will reconvene tomorrow, at 11.30am, as if proroguation never happened as the Supreme Court ruled that the government acted outside the limits of its power and this was therefore unlawful.

The most senior court in the UK has ruled unaminously to defend Parliamentary Sovereignity and the Rule of British Law.

Unusually for a Wednesday there will be no PMQ, however there will be time for Ministerial Statements, UQ and Debate under S024.
See the abbreviation thread if you are struggling with these

So tomorrow is sure to be explosive on way or another.

The Government is hitting back by questioning the Supreme Court whilst also saying they respect the Supreme Court's authority. This is an oxymoron. Its being done for political reasons and is, in its own way, a direct threat to the Rule of Law.

Robert Buckland is, again, having to do a lot in Cabinet to assert the point of the importance of the Rule of Law and how it prevents mob rule. Something that seems to keep getting forgotten by anonymous No 10 sources.

The political fallout from the ruling is sure to lead to calls for the Supreme Court to be politically elected. This has been a long term goal of parts of the hard right.

Johnson, is currently in the US, so the announcement that parliament will be back tomorrow has rather spoilt his jolly to see his mate Donnie. He will have to get on a plane smartish.

But for all the hard talk there will also be ramifications for Johnson. Whilst there will be a lot of 'nothing has changed', and there is no chance of a VoNC in the HoC being tabled by the opposition whilst no deal is still on the table on the 31st Oct, there will still be problems for Johnson.

There will be a post mortem within his own party. The next Cabinet Meeting will almost certainly be explosive. There are already attempts to set Geoffrey Cox, the Attorney General who apparently advised that proroguation was lawful, under the bus as the fall guy. This will perhaps be a deflection to try and protect Dominic Cummings, as there will be moderate Tories who will seek to use this as an opportunity to have him sacked. But more than this, its likely to result in other Cabinet Ministers being more forceful and to challenge Johnson more, both for their own political gain and for their own political protection. He will certainly be more questioned from within, about his poor judgement.

We also have him facing an investigation from the London Assembly over his conduct and suggestions of an inappropriate relationship with a busty blonde American woman.

Next weeks Conservative Party Conference is now in tatters. Whilst Corbyn has wrapped up the Labour Party Conference early to avoid a clash with Parliament being open, Johnson is stuffed. Next week's PMQ will clash with the schedule for his Party Speech. Normally parliament would be in recess for the conference season, but parliament has to vote to allow this. And there isn't a majority for the Conservatives to now be able to do this. So Parliament almost certainly will be sitting next week.

Unfortunately, the Tories are a little stuffed with their conference being held in Manchester. If (and lets face it, with the gloves off and time short) the opposition want to cause mischief, they will try and schedule crucial and embarassing debates during the party conference, to keep MPs stuck in Westminister as much as possible. And with good reason under the circumstances.

We still have the small matter of the 31st October deadline which Johnson is still sticking to saying we will either have a deal or we will leave without a deal - unlawfully.

Remember on that note, Johnson has already acted beyond his power and unlawfully on the basis of bad advice. Johnson being hulk, rather than a girly swat, relies on the advice of others more heavily than his own wisdom and experience - of which he has been exposed time and again - to be somewhat lacking in.

As a side note, its also worth reflecting on the NCA having dropped charges in relation to Leave.Eu and how the Electoral Commission has commented on this decision:
"We are concerned about the apparent weakness in the law, highlighted by this investigation outcome, which allows overseas funds into UK politics. We have made recommendations that would tighten the rules on campaign funding and deter breaches. We urge the UK's governments to act on those recommendations to support voter confidence"

In the context of an imminent General Election, this is really very concerning indeed.

Just WHO is in control? Cos it doesn't look like its Boris Johnson right now, thats for sure.

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 21:54

pumpkin pretty I think it's a fair enough comment for Paisley though. My accent now is a lot different from when I was at school. And it yes, I did try and speak more slang and broader at school than I do now or in my family home.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 21:55

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PestyMachtubernahme · 25/09/2019 21:55

Why did Johnson leave?

Because he didn't feel like being courteous.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 21:56

Anna Soubry's Point of Order was very powerful SadAngry

I've just had to explain to dh why so many of the MPs are making such a big deal about it: he'd been out for most of the evening and missed the bit where the fucking cunt dismissed it as humbug Angry and then continued to use the very language that he had been challenged on Angry - and then later even denied using it Angry

DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 21:57

It's traditional for men to threaten women's children. It's what makes women most vulnerable - the fact that we have others to protect, and men don't.

This is absolutely a feminist issue now - we need all women to stand together to help protect other women and children from state-sanctioned male violence. This is the UK, 2019, and I just wrote that. Can we get any back-up from (oh hell) Europe, or the UN??

Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 21:58

DH said Anna Soubry was crying. And that Boris refused to stay for the points of order. I missed it.

LouiseCollins28 · 25/09/2019 21:59

Why are they all wailing about this now when they’ve been baying at each other for the last 3 hours. Set the example you wish to see, all of you.

Camomila · 25/09/2019 22:00

They sound sad and worried. It must be so hard being an MP at the moment.

Apileofballyhoo · 25/09/2019 22:00

The UN already wrote a report about the shocking levels of poverty in the UK. I'm not sure a report about human rights will make any difference to those at the top.

prettybird · 25/09/2019 22:01

Random18 - but she went to Lourdes Secondary and the way she speaks is actually very similar to the way that my nephew speaks (which is not the same as SIL Confused, nor dh but there again, he went to Uni Wink). When he is in full flow, I struggle to understand him (but then, I'm a Bearsden snob who's abandoned the North side for the South side Wink).

Belindabelle · 25/09/2019 22:04

This has all certainly taken a somber turn. Very serious indeed.

NoWordForFluffy · 25/09/2019 22:04

Louise, there's a hell of a world between the 'usual' parliamentary pantomime shouting and actually seeming to incite / condone / rubbish violence against MPs. After your measured post yesterday, I'm amazed you don't understand the difference.

PestyMachtubernahme · 25/09/2019 22:04

That splendid chap Bannon has turfed up in Brazil.
Surely there is no funny political stuff going on there.
twitter.com/filgmartin/status/1176332367939690496

prettybird · 25/09/2019 22:05

LouiseCollins28 - they did repeatedly try to raise it - but specific Points of Order could only be raised formally at the end of the statement.

Bercow told off one Conservative MP repeatedly for trying to raise a Point of Order when Corbyn was talking - saying he should know better.

BercowsFlyingFlamingo · 25/09/2019 22:05

Just to go back to about 6.45pm tonight when bozo was making his statement, he claimed that the EU were (I can't remember his exact words but basically) saying that they would consider or would re-open the WA, and something along the lines of there was an alternative to the backstop accepted. As I said, I can't remember his exact words but the gist was that the EU have said they won't do a,b and c, but now they will. Barrier said yesterday he was not optimistic though so I'm not sure where bozo's claims fit in. More lies I expect but does anyone think there could be any truth in it? I don't personally see any alternative to the backstop and the GFA must be protected.

BigChocFrenzy · 25/09/2019 22:08

"Anna Soubry made me cry, they threatened her MUM"Sad

"JO SWINSONS CHILD HAS BEEN THREATENED" Sad

BJ displays depraved indifference to the harm his goading may cause
Sociopath
Our PM

PerkingFaintly · 25/09/2019 22:09

Louise, did you really just quibble about what time of day the MPs spoke on how their families had received threats of violence and death? Shock

prettybird · 25/09/2019 22:09

Bercow - I was telling dh the same thing: that BJCummings was trying to claim that the EU had agreed re-open the WA and that Juncker had said that he had no erotic [sic ShockEnvy] attachment to the backstop.

As ever, the UK is confusing politeness and diplomacy with acquiescence Confused

DarkAtEndOfUk · 25/09/2019 22:10

Sorry, I'm a bit shell-shocked. So the Speaker asked Johnson to sit down, he refused, and instead left? The Prime Minister of the country just ignored them and left the House of Commons? Isn't this time to remove him?
At least Corbyn's just called for a joint statement on use of language.

flouncyfanny · 25/09/2019 22:11

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Random18 · 25/09/2019 22:11

pretty she has a strong accent but if she came to Parliament and sounded all posh then she would not he popular at all with her constituents.

Theres nothing wrong with sounding posh, but Lulu has always annoyed. She would sound posh and then when she came back to Glasgow put on such a string accent.

At least Mhairi is true to her roots.

My accent is not as broad as it once was but still relatively strong.

It was more the slang words I would use that would annoy my mum.

Jellykat · 25/09/2019 22:13

How the bloody hell did BJ manage to justify his statement that the best way to honour Jo Cox was to see Brexit through? I just cant see how he managed to tie in the two..

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LouiseCollins28 · 25/09/2019 22:16

I think my point has been misunderstood, sorry all. I completely get why the points of order come at the end of the debate.

The poijnt was that they have been debating for 3 hours some courteously others less so but amid this febrile at,osphere and then they complain (entirely correctly because personal abuse toward an MP is ALWAYS wrong) If the temperature is to be brought down then one thing that would help is that all mPS must , in my view, conduct themselves better.

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